I was just watching a ajax/php web chat client video from phpacademy (Link to the youtube videos) and I had a question about pushing and fetching. In the video they fetched the data from the MySQL database every second or so.
But my question is, is there anyway to push the chat to other connected users rather than fetching it? With the application I'm developing, It would be a lot of requests on the server and be a waste of bandwidth.
But I still want it to be as basic as the ajax/php chat system. What I'm developing is a turn base game and the idea/code behind the chat system is exactly what I'm looking for. But instead of sending a text message it might send a score, move, and/or time, etc. and having it fetch wouldn't be ideal for the server when there maybe multiple people connected.
thanks for the comments and answers.
It sounds like your after something like Socket.io, or if you cant set that up you could use http://pusher.com/
No, with php it cannot be done, as php is a server side technology.
However, you should have a look at WebRTC as it allows P2P connections and is perfect for your use case.
in javascript you may use setInterval('Messages()', 8000); for get news messages in your db EVERY 8 SECS, if this is true you show them.
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I'm trying to figure out a way for users of a website (say a student and teacher) to share a secure connection where real time updates on one page are viewed by both of them.
From research I've concluded that some of the real time updates could be performed using ajax and javascript.
But I'm stumped as to how users could share a connection where only the two users would be viewing the updates that take place on the website (such as flash animations of a drawing board.) I'm also confused how you would even begin to set up a connection like this.
I've looked intp php sessions and cookies but I'm not sure I'm doing the right research.
Any pointers as to how two specific users could share a secure connection where real time updates are viewed by the both of them only. I don't want a terse response please. I'm looking for specific details like functions and syntax specific to php. I appreciate the help and will rate you up if you give me good answers!
You cannot share a secure connection (e.g. HTTPS) its one client to one server.
If both clients are logged in and have a background AJAX task running in the browser, is it acceptable to have each client "pull" every few seconds the same data to display for both users?
This would require the "drawing board" updates to also be sent continuously back to the server to share the updated data with the other client. I'm sure there will be an event you can use to trigger the post of data (e.g. on mouse up).
If performance is an issue, you'd want to use a better server technology like Java that is able to keep session state between requests without having to persist to a database.
You can look at ajax push techniques. I used comet once where an administrator posted messages and everybody who was logged in saw that message appear on their screen. I don't know if comet supports PHP. I only used it with JSP. Just search for "ajax push" in Google.
Flash allows for connections between users, I think they refer to them as sockets.
If you want to use Ajax, et al, you need a server side technology that supports push.
Node is the standard in this regard, and you can set up a Heroku instance for free.
There are others, and you need to learn tools before even beginning to learn application.
Among the many overviews, this might interest you:
http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/05/say-hello-to-the-real-real-time-web/?1
A few good examples where this is happening:
Google Docs
Etherpad
HTML5 Games: Multi player
Techniques you can use (with varying browser support)
HTML5 WebSockets (Wikipedia; MDN; HTML5 Demo)
Comet (Wikipedia)
Really pushing data to a web browser client from a server (which would do that when it receives something from another client) is only possible with WebSockets as far as I know. Other mechanism would either require browser plugins or a stand-alone application.
However with Comet (through AJAX) you can get really close to pushing data by polling the server periodically for data. However contrary to traditional polling (e.g. where a clients asks for data every 5 seconds), with the Comet principle the server will hold that periodic request hostage for, say, up to 30 seconds. The server will not send back data until either it has data or the time out is reached. That way, during those 30 seconds, any data that the server receives can be instantly pushed back to the other clients. And right after that the client starts a new 30 second session, and so forth.
Although both Comet and WebSockets should work with a PHP backend served by Apache. I'd recommend looking into NodeJS (as server technology) for this.
There is a lot of information regarding Comet on the internet, I suggest you google it, maybe start at Wikipedia.
The great thing about Comet is that it is more a principle than a technology. It uses what we already have (simple HTTP requests with AJAX), so browser support is very wide.
You could also do a combination, where you use sockets if supported and fallback to Comet.
I'm sure you have looked into this. The opinion that this can be done via ajax is misleading to believe that two users of a website can communicate via javascript.
As you are aware, javascript happens on the client and ajax is essentially 'talking to the server without a page change or refresh'.
The communication between two users of the website has to happen via the server - php and some chosen datastore.
Hope that wasn't terse.
cheers, Rob
I am looking to create a Web Chat system using PHP, MySQL and JavaScript.
Currently, I am storing messages in a MySQL database with an incremental ID (Yes, it is indexed), a timestamp, the sender, and the message itself. I am then using AJAX to query the database every 500ms, seeing if there are any more recent messages than the last one received. However, I have a feeling that this is probably horribly inefficient as it will result in a large load on the MySQL server when multiple users are online. Having looked around a bit on Google and on here, everything seems to point to this way of doing it.
My question: is there a better way to do this? Any tips on how to reduce the load on the server would also be welcome.
I'm using PHP 5.3, on an Apache webserver, so libraries or plugins compatible with those would be fine.
EDIT:
Forgot to mention in the original post, but I'm not worried about supporting IE or other outdated browsers.
Potentially viable basic approach:
Cache your 50 most recent messages in memcache. Reset this whenever a new entry is added to the database. When new users connect, serve them these 50 messages to populate their chatroom.
Use a third party service like http://www.pubnub.com/ to send messages to your clients. Whenever a new message is sent to your chatroom, send it out on pubnub. Your server code will do this after writing to your database successfully.
notes: I'm not affiliated with pubnub. You don't need to use 50 messages above either. You don't even have to give them any messages when they connect depending on how you want to set it up. The point is that you want to avoid your users reading from your database in this case - that model isn't likely to scale for this type of application.
Ideally, an evented environment would be ideal for this kind of app. The LAMP stack is not particularly well suited.
I would recommend using this library, Pubnub. Pubnub is an easy way to send radio signals via javascript, or any TCP language (such as PHP) - and javascript instantly recieves the sent messages.
In PHP, you could simply have it save to your database - then use Pubnub's PHP API's to send the message to everyone else on the page.
If your familiar with Html, Javascript, and PHP - it can be fairly easy to learn. I would recommend it.
You are asking about a web chat system specifically built in PHP, MySQL and HTML with JavaScript. There are many options including Pre-built solutions: http://www.cometchat.com/ and http://www.arrowchat.com/ which all have chat comet services powered by a cloud offering like http://www.pubnub.com/ with options to host it yourself. See more about CometServices http://www.cometchat.com/cometservice/third-party-alternatives where you compare the service providers. There are several more options, however I recommend starting there. If you needs something more simple, like HTML and JavaScript only solution, you can check out http://www.pubnub.com/blog/build-real-time-web-apps-easy which is a blog about building real-time web apps easy with an example chat app in 10 lines of JavaScript Code. The solution Cuts Development Time by providing full Cross Platform for all browsers and mobile devices.
You should look into ajax long polling, in a nutshell this a simple ajax call but will not return a result from the server if there is no new data. You just do a simple loop on the server side until new data will be available then return it. Of course you have to stop this eventually if there's no result to send to client after a while (eg. 1 minute) then restart the call.
I suppose, that chat is too intensive for storage engines MySQL. Maybe, MEMORY table type will be ok, never used it. I spoken to several developers and everybody agree, that best option for chat is Memcache or even writing your own custom daemon (with memory-only storage as weel).
For client part you may read about short-polling, long-poling and web-sockets / sockets via flash/Java object.
using AJAX to query the database every 500ms
Is short-polling.
Sockets are a better solution than AJAX polling, however isn't much around about how you can integrate socket based chats with MySQL.
I have done a few tests and have a basic example working here: https://github.com/andrefigueira/PHP-MySQL-Sockets-Chat
It makes use of Ratchet (http://socketo.me/) for the creation of the chat server in PHP.
And you can send chat messages to the DB by sending the server JSON with the information of who is chatting, (if of course you have user sessions)
hii.. i am designing a chat application. i have tried using php + MySQL + JavaScript and developed the web based chat app. But the application is quite slow. What all i do is, just store the messages from the clients in a table, and each client retrieves the table at a lag of 2 seconds.... I manage this by ajax.
But the app response becomes very bad when many user joins.
Is their any other technique to build the chat app ??? or what else i can do to make my app better.
help plzz ..
thanks in advance :)
Don't know if you've touched upon it, but I'd recomend using an IRC server as backend.
If you have the ability to install nodejs(basicly server side javascript) on your server you should take a look at socket.io which is a plugin for nodejs. This gives you almost an instant response time, even for quite large masses of users.
There are almost no libraries/projects for real-time web applications in PHP. But if you really want to use it you can take a look at a technique called long-polling. This can still be quite heavy on your server though.
Maybe it is slow because each client retrieves full table of chat contents - try appending only the new messages.
I've done the same thing last year.
I suggest retrieving only so many chats when the user first logs in, e.g. the last 30, and displaying them. Then on each subsequent AJAX call only retrieve any new chat messages, rather than everything else again. You can do this by storing the latest chat id (a unique id) when you first retrieve all the chat msgs and then only retrieve anything with a chat id greater than that.
How often do you check for new msgs? You could also increase that time.
I'd like to create an application where when a Super user clicks a link the users should get a notification or rather a content like a pdf for them to access on the screen.
Use Case: When a teacher wants to share a PDF with his students he should be able to notify his students about the pdf available for download and a link has to be provided to do the same.
There are several ways you can accomplish this. The most supported way is through a technique called Comet or long-polling. Basically, the client sends a request to the server and the server doesn't send a response until some event happens. This gives the illusion that the server is pushing to the client.
There are other methods and technologies that actually allow pushing to the client instead of just simulating it (i.e. Web Sockets), but many browsers don't support them.
As you want to implement this in CakePHP (so I assume it's a web-based application), the user will have to have an 'active' page open in order to receive the push messages.
It's worth looking at the first two answers to this, but also just think about how other sites might achieve this. Sites like Facebook, BBC, Stackoverflow all use techniques to keep pages up to date.
I suspect Facebook just uses some AJAX that runs in a loop/timer to periodically pull updates in a way that would make it look like push. If the update request is often enough (short time period), it'll almost look realtime. If it's a long time period it'll look like a pull. Finding the right balance between up-to-dateness and browser/processor/network thrashing is the key.
The actual request shouldn't thrash the system, but the reply in some applications may be much bigger. In your case, the data in each direction is tiny, so you could make the request loop quite short.
Experiment!
Standard HTTP protocol doesn't allow push from server to client. You can emulate this by using for example AJAX requests with small interval.
Have a look at php-amqplib and RabbitMQ. Together they can help you implement AMQP (Advanced Message Queuing Protocol). Essentially your web page can be made to update by pushing a message to it.
[EDIT] I recently came across Pusher which I have implemented for a project. It is a HTML5 WebSocket powered realtime messaging service. It works really well and has a free bottom tier plan. It's also extremely simple to implement.
Check out node.js in combination with socket.io and express. Great starting point here
I want to start a project for facebook and the application will be like real-time multiplayer chess game. The problem I'm having is I have no idea how to store the data when a player moves one piece and update the new position in player2 browser. I'm gonna use PHP, MySQL for server side and jQuery for Client Rendering. The simplest idea is to store the data in XML or MySQL and re-generate the result to player2 browser. But I know that when thousand of players are playing, it will not be an efficient way. Since I don't have time to study new language for this project, I'm gonna have to stick with PHP. I'm not going to use flash either because I want my client side light-weight and flash-free. So is there any way that will solve my problems?
you would have to be polling server for update every.. maybe 2 seconds, depends on server load. If you used flash, there would be another option - to use sockets, it's much more suitable for multiplayer games, but i don't think you could make it without some third-party runtime.. HTML5 has some kind of websockets, but it's very bad when it comes to cross-browser compatibility
I guess going through a server is your only option. That is to store the game status is xml or a sql db. And than the clients need to frequently poll this status, e.g by jquery ajax. Having the clients to communicate directly p2p is not possible with standard web components.