On a site with a reasonable amount of traffic , would it matter if the application/business logic is written as stored procedures ,triggers and views , instead of inside the PHP code itself?
What would be the best way to go keeping scalability in mind.
I can't provide you statistics, but unless you plan to change PHP for another language in the future, i can say keeping the business logic in PHP is more "scalability friendly".
Its always easier and cheaper to solve web server load problems than having them in the database. Your database will always need to be lighting quick and just throwing mirrors at it won't solve the problem. The more database slaves you have, the more writes you have to do.
In my experience, you should put business logic in PHP code rather than move it onto the database. Assuming your database is on a separate server, you don't want your database to be busy calculating formulas when requests come in.
Keep your database lightning fast to handle selects, inserts and updates.
I think you will have far better scalibility keeping database code in the database where it can be performance tuned as the number of records gets larger. You will also have better data integrity which is critical to the data even being useful. You don't see a lot of terrabyte sized relational dbs with all their code in the application.
Read some books on database performance tuning and then decide if you want to risk your company's data on application code.
There are several things to consider when trying to decide whether to place the business logic in the database or in the application code.
Will the same database be accessed
from different websites / web
applications? Will the sites /
applications be written in the same
language or in a different language?
If the database will be used from a single site, and the site is written in a single language then this becomes a non-issue. Otherwise, you'll need to consider the added complexity of stored procedures, triggers, etc vs trying to maintain database access logic etc in multiple code bases.
What are relational databases in
general good for and what is MySQL
good for specifically? What is PHP
best at?
This consideration is fairly straight-forward. Relational databases across the board and specifically in any variant of SQL are going to do a great job at inserting, updating, and deleting data. Generally they also handle ATOMIC transactions well. However, most variants of SQL (including MySQL) are not good at complex calculations, on-the-fly date handling, file system access etc.
PHP on the other hand is very fast at handling calculations, dates, file system accesses. By taking a little time you can even design your PHP code to work in such a way that records are only retrieved once and then stored when necessary.
What are you most familiar /
comfortable with using?
Obviously it tends to make more sense to use the tool with which you are most familiar.
As a last point consider that just because a drill can be used to cut sheet rock or because a hammer can be used to drive a screw doesn't mean that they should be used for these things. Sometimes I think that programmers do more potential damage by trying to make more powerful tools that do everything rather than making simpler tools that do one thing really, really well.
A well done PHP application should be enought, but keep in mind that it also requires you to do the less calls to the database you can. Store values you'll need later in PHP, shorten queries, cache, etc.
MySQL optimization is always a must, as it will also decrease the amount of databse calls by PHP, and thus getting a better performance. Therefore, there's no way you can't think of stored procedures, etc, if your aim is to increase performance. But MySQL by itself would't be enought if your PHP code isn't well done (lots of unecessary database calls), that's why I think PHP must be well coded, keeping in mind the hole process while developing it, so that unecessary stuff doesn't get in the way. Cache for instance, in "duet" with proper MySQL, is a great boost on performance.
My POV, even not having much experience in developing large applications is to write business logic in the DB for some reasons:
1 - Maintainability, I think that languages deprecate functions and changes many other things in a short time period, so if PHP changes version, you'll need to adapt your code to the new version
2 - DBs tends to be more language stable, so when a new version of a RDBMS comes out, it usually doesn't change many things in the way you write your queries or SPs, or it even doesn't change. Writing your logic in DB will reduce code adaptation because of a new DB version
3 - A RDBMS is more likely to be alive for a long period rather than a programming language. Also, as your data is critical, there is a big worry from the RDBMS developers for automatic migration of your whole data to the new RDBMS version, including your SPs. When clipper died, there were no ways to migrate systems to a new programming language, they had to be completely rewritten.
4 - If you think someday to change completely the language you are writing the application for some reason(language death, for example), the only thing to be rewritten will be the presentation and the SP calls, not business logic.
I'd like to know from other people here if what I pointed out makes sense, and if not, why. I'm on the same situation as Sabeen Malik, I'm thinking to begin my first huge project and I'm tending towards SPs because of what I wrote. So it's time to correct my POV if it's not so correct.
MySQL sucks at using advanced DB techniques, it's simple and fast. PHP, being a dynamic language, makes processing data very easy. Therefore, it usually makes sense to use PHP.
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I see programmers putting a lot of information into databases that could otherwise be put in a file that holds arrays. Instead of arrays, they'll use many tables of SQL which, I believe, is slower.
CitrusDB has a table in the database called "holiday". This table consists of just one date column called "holiday_date" that holds dates that are holidays. The idea is to let the user add holidays to the table. Citrus and the programmers I work with at my workplace will prefer to put all this information in tables because it is "standard".
I don't see why this would be true unless you are allowing the user, through a user interface, to add holidays. I have a feeling there's something I'm missing.
Sometimes you want to design in a bit of flexibility to a product. What if your product is released in a different country with different holidays? Just tweak the table and everything will work fine. If it's hard coded into the application, or worse, hard coded in many different places through the application, you could be in a world of pain trying to get it to work in the new locale.
By using tables, there is also a single way of accessing this information, which probably makes the program more consistent, and easier to maintain.
Sometimes efficiency/speed is not the only motivation for a design. Maintainability, flexibility, etc are very important factors.
The main advantage I have found of storing 'configuration' in a database, rather than in a property file, or a file full of arrays, is that the database is usually centrally stored, whereas a server may often be split across a farm of several, or even hundreds of servers.
I have implemented, in a corporate environment, such a solution, and the power of being able to change configuration at a single point of access, knowing that it will immediately be propagated to all servers, without the concern of a deployment process is actually very powerful, and one that we have come to rely on quite heavily.
The actual dates of some holidays change every year. The flexibility to update the holidays with a query or with a script makes putting it in the database the easiest way. One could easily implement a script that updates the holidays each year for their country or region when it is stored in the database.
Theoretically, databases are designed and tuned to provide faster access to data than doing a disk read from a file. In practice, for small to mid-sized applications this difference is minuscule. Best practices, however, are typically oriented at larger scale. By implementing best practices on your small application, you create one that is capable of scaling up.
There is also the consideration of the accessibility of the data in terms of other aspects of the project. Where is most of the data in a web-based application? In the database. Thus, we try to keep ALL the data in the database, or as much as is feasible. That way, in the future, if you decide that now you need to join the holiday dates again a list of events (for example), all the data is in a single place. This segmenting of disparate layers creates tiers within your application. When each tier can be devoted to exclusive handling of the roles within its domain (database handles data, HTML handles presentation, etc), it is again easier to change or scale your application.
Last, when designing an application, one must consider the "hit by a bus principle". So you, Developer 'A', put the holidays in a PHP file. You know they are there, and when you work on the code it doesn't create a problem. Then.... you get hit by a bus. You're out of commission. Developer 'B' comes along, and now your boss wants the holiday dates changed - we don't get President's Day off any more. Um. Johnny Next Guy has no idea about your PHP file, so he has to dig. In this example, it sounds a little trivial, maybe a little silly, but again, we always design with scalability in mind. Even if you KNOW it isn't going to scale up. These standards make it easier for other developers to pick up where you left off, should you ever leave off.
The answer lays in many realms. I used to code my own software to read and write to my own flat-file database format. For small systems, with few fields, it may seem worth it. Once you learn SQL, you'll probably use it for even the smallest things.
File parsing is slow. String readers, comparing characters, looking for character sequences, all take time. SQL Databases do have files, but they are read and then cached, both more efficiently.
Updating & saving arrays require you to read all, rebuild all, write all, save all, then close the file.
Options: SQL has many built-in features to do many powerful things, from putting things in order to only returning x through y results.
Security
Synchronization - say you have the same page accessed twice at the same time. PHP will read from your flatfile, process, and write at the same time. They will overwrite each other, resulting in dataloss.
The amount of features SQL provides, the ease of access, the lack of things you need to code, and plenty other things contribute to why hard-coded arrays aren't as good.
The answer is it depends on what kind of lists you are dealing with. It seems that here, your list consists of a small, fixed set of values.
For many valid reasons, database administrators like having value tables for enumerated values. It helps with data integrity and for dealing wtih ETL, as two examples for why you want it.
At least in Java, for these kinds of short, fixed lists, I usually use Enums. In PHP, you can use what seems to be a good way of doing enums in PHP.
The benefit of doing this is the value is an in-memory lookup, but you can still get data integrity that DBAs care about.
If you need to find a single piece of information out of 10, reading a file vs. querying a database may not give a serious advantage either way. Reading a single piece of data from hundreds or thousands, etc, has a serious advantage when you read from a database. Rather than load a file of some size and read all the contents, taking time and memory, querying from the database is quick and returns exactly what you query for. It's similar to writing data to a database vs text files - the insert into the database includes only what you are adding. Writing a file means reading the entire contents and writing them all back out again.
If you know you're dealing with very small numbers of values, and you know that requirement will never change, put data into files and read them. If you're not 100% sure about it, don't shoot yourself in the foot. Work with a database and you're probably going to be future proof.
This is a big question. The short answer would be, never store 'data' in a file.
First you have to deal with read/write file permission issues, which introduces security risk.
Second, you should always plan on an application growing. When the 'holiday' array becomes very large, or needs to be expanded to include holiday types, your going to wish it was in the DB.
I can see other answers rolling in, so I'll leave it at that.
Generally, application data should be stored in some kind of storage (not flat files).
Configuration/settings can be stored in a KVP storage (such as Redis) then access it via REST API.
I'm the webmaster for a major US university. We have a great deal of requests on our website, which I've built and been in charge of for the last 7 years or so. I've been building ever-more-complex features into our website and it's always been my practice to put as much of the programming burden on our multi-processor Microsoft SQL server as possible - using stored procedures, views, etc, and fill-in what can't be done with PHP, ASP, or Perl from the IIS web server. Both servers are very powerful and capable machines. Since I've been doing this alone for so long without anyone else to brainstorm with, I'm curious if my approach is ideal for even higher load situations we'll have in the future.
My question is: Is it better practice to place more of the load burden on the SQL server using nested SELECT statements, views, stored procedures and aggregate functions, or should I be pulling multiple simpler queries and processing through them using server-side compile-time scripts like PHP? Keep on keepin' on or come up with a better way?
I've recently become more interested in performance after I did some load traces and learned just how much I've been putting on the shoulders of the SQL server. Both the web server and SQL servers are fast and responsive throughout the day, and almost without regard for how much I put on them, but I'd like to be ready and have trained myself and upgraded my existing code optimized best practices in mind by the time it becomes important.
Thanks for your advice and input.
You put each layer in your stack to use in the domain it fits best.
There is no use in having your database server send 1000 rows and using PHP to filter them if a WHERE-clause or GROUP-clause would suffice. It's not optimal to call the database to add two integers (SELECT 5+9 works fine, but php can do it itself, and you save the roundtrip).
You will probably want to look into scalability: what parts of your application can be divided unto multiple processes? If you're still just using 2 layers (script & db), there is a lot of room for scaling there. But always start with the bottleneck first.
Some examples: host static contents on CDN, use caching for your pages, read about nginx and memcached, use nosql (mongoDB), consider sharding, consider replication.
My opinion is that it's generally (mostly) best to favor letting the web servers do the processing. Two points:
First is scalability. Once your application gets enough usage, you'll need to start worrying about load balancing. And it's a lot easier to drop in a couple of extra web servers pointing to a common database than it is to set up a distributed database cluster. So best to take as much strain away from the Database as you can and keep it on a single machine for as long as possible.
The second point i'd like to make is about optimizing the queries. This will depend a lot on the queries you are using, and the database backend. When i first started working with databases, i fell into the trap of making elaborate SQL queries with multiple JOINs that fetched exactly the data i wanted, even if it was from four or five different tables. I reasoned that "That's what the database is there for - lets get it to do the hard work"
I quickly found that these queries took way too long to execute, and often ended up blocking the database from other requests. While it may seam inefficient to split your query into multiple requests (for example in a for loop), you'll often find that executing multiple small queries with fast indexes will make your application run far more smoothly than trying to pass all the hard work to the database
Firstly, you might want to check if there is any load which can be removed entirely by client side caching (.js, .css, static HTML and images), and use of technologies such as AJAX to do partial updates of screens - this will remove load on both web and sql servers.
Secondly, see if there is sql load which can be reduced by web server caching - e.g. static or low refresh data - if you have a lot of 'content' pages on your systems, have a look at common CMS caching techniques which will scale to allow many more users to view the same data without rebuilding the page or hitting the database.
I tend to do as much as possible outside the db, viewing db calls as expensive/time-intensive.
For example, when performing a select on a user table with fields name_given and name_family, I could fatten the query to return a column called full_name built by concatenation. But that kind of thing can be easily done in a model on your server-side scripting language (PHP, Ruby, etc).
Of course, there are cases when the db is the more "natural" place to perform an operation. But, in general, I incline more towards putting the load on the web server and optimize there with many of the techniques noted in other answers.
I've been doing a lot of calculating stuff nowadays. Usually I prefer to do these calculations in PHP rather than MySQL though I know PHP is not good at this. I thought MySQL may be worse. But I found some performance problem: some pages were loaded so slowly that 30 seconds' time limit is not enough for them! So I wonder where is the better place to do the calculations, and any principles for that? Suggestions would be appreciated.
Anything that can be done using a RDBMS (GROUPING, SUMMING, AVG) where the data can be filtered on the server side, should be done in the RDBMS.
If the calculation would be better suited in PHP then fine, go with that, but otherwise don't try to do in PHP what a RDBMS was made for. YOU WILL LOSE.
I would recommend doing any row level calculations using the RDBMS.
Not only are you going to benefit from better performance but it also makes your applications more portable if you need to switch to another scripting language, let's say PHP to Python, because you've already sorted, filtered and processed the data using your RBDMS.
It also helps separate your application logic, it has helped me keep my controllers cleaner and neater when working in an MVC environment.
i would say do calculations in languages that were created for that, like c++. But if you choose between mysql and php, php is better.
Just keep track of where your bottlenecks are. If your table gets locked up because you're trying to run some calculations, everyone else is in queue waiting to read/write the data in the selected tables and the queue will continue to grow.
MySQL is typically faster at processing your commands, but PHP should be able to handle simple problems without too much of a fuss. Of course, that does not mean you should be pinging your database multiple times for the same calculation over and over.
You might be better off caching your results if you can and have a cron job updating it once a day/hour (please don't do it every minute, your hosting provider will probably hate you).
Do as much filtering and merging as possible to bring the minimum amount of data into php. Once you have that minimum data set, then it depends on what you are doing, server load, and perhaps other factors.
If you can do something equally well in either, and the sql is not overly complex to write (and maintain) then do that. For simple math, sql is usually a good bet. For string manipulations where the strings will end up about the same length or grow, php is probably a good bet.
The most important thing is to request as little data as possible. The manipulation of the data, at least what sql can do, is secondary to retrieving and transferring the data.
Native MySQL functions are very quick. So do what makes sense in your queries.
If you have multiples servers (ie, a web server and a DB server), note DB servers are much more expensive then web servers, so if you have a lot of traffic or a very busy DB server do not do the 'extras' that can be handled just as easily/efficiently on a web server machine to help prevent slowdowns.
cmptrgeekken is right we would need some more information. BUT if you are needing to do calculations that pertain to database queries or doing operations on them, comparisons certian fields from the database, make the database do it. Doing special queries in SQL is cheape r(as far as time is concerned and it is optimized for that) But both PHP and MySQL are both server side it won't really matter where you are doing the calculations. But like I said before if they are operations on with database information, make a more complicated SQL query and use that.
Use PHP, don't lag up your MySQL doing endless calculations. If your talking about things like sorting its OK to use MySQL for stuff like that, SUM, AVG but don't overdo it.
I'm working on a PHP web application with PostgreSQL. All of the SQL queries are being called from the PHP code. I've seen no Views, Functions or Stored Procedures. From what I've learned, it's always better to use these database subroutines since they are stored in the database with the advantages:
Encapsulation
Abstraction
Access rights (limited to DB Admin) and responsibility
Avoid compilation
I think I read something about performance improvements too. I really don't see why the team hasn't used these yet. In this particular case, I would like to know, from experience, is there any good reason to NOT use them?
Mostly when there are so many "SELECT" queries along the code, why not use Views?
I am planning on refactoring the code and start coding the subroutines on the DB Server. I would like to know opinions in favor or against this. The project is rather big (many tables), and expects lots of data to be stored. The amount of data you would have in a social network with some more stuff in it, so yeah, pretty big.
In my opinion, views and stored procedures are usually just extra trouble with little benefit.
I have written and worked with a bunch of different web apps, though none with bazillions of users. The ones with stored procedures are awkward. The ones with ad-hoc SQL queries are plenty fast (use placeholders and other best practices to avoid SQL injection). My favorite use database abstraction (ORM) so your code deals with PHP classes and objects rather than directly with the database. I have increasingly been turning to the symfony framework for that.
Also: in general you should not optimize for performance prematurely. Optimize for good fast development now (no stored procedures). After it's working, benchmark your app, find the bottlenecks, and optimize them. You just waste time and make complexity when you try to optimize from the start.
I. Views offer encapsulation, but if not carefully designed they can slow down the application. Use with caution.
II. Use functions if needed, no reason to put them in if they are unneeded.
III. Stored Procedures are a godsend, use them everywhere there is a static query!!
In response to the views vs. queries, try to use views with Stored Procedure's, the Stored Procedure's will mitigate some of the performance hit taken with most views.
The advantage of stored procedures is that, because all the processing is done on the database, you do not incur network overhead shunting intermediate result sets back and forth.
The disadvantage is that each RDBMS system out there has its own peculiar syntax for stored procedures. By implementing your business logic in stored procedures, you're pretty much restricting your app to a single database product, something you need to keep in mind if you intend your application to be database independent. Also, as gahooa pointed out, because stored procedures live in the database, your access to them as a developer may be restricted by local policy; some organisations will only let DBAs touch the database.
#WolfmanDragon: I don't know if views inherently make things slower; your mileage may vary, I guess, depending on the complexity of the view and the RDBMS you're using. Plus, some RDBMS allow you to materialise commonly-used views so access to them is as fast as a base table.
We try to use the features you mentioned only where there is a significant benefit
Being part of the "Database", they fall under "schema changes", rather than "source code changes", and are naturally harder to version control.
Whatever you do, just make sure you retain full visibility of who-changed-what-when, so that you can diff, rollback, and recover in the case of problems.
I'm creating and app that will rely on a database, and I have all intention on using a flat file db, is there any serious reasons to stay away from this?
I'm using mimesis (http://mimesis.110mb.com)
it's simpler than using mySQL, which I have to admit I have little experience with.
I'm wondering about the security of the db. but the files are stored as php and it seems to be a solid database solution.
I really like the ease of backing up and transporting the databases, which I have found harder with mySQL. I see that everyone seems to prefer the mySQL way - and it likely is faster when it comes to queries but other than that is there any reason to stay away from flat-file dbs and (finally) properly learn mysql ?
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Just to let people know,
I ended up going with mySQL, and am using the CodeIgniter framework. Still like the flat file db, but have now realized that it's way more complex for this project than necessary.
Use SQLite, you get a database with many SQL features and yet it's only a single file.
Greetings, I'm the creator of Mimesis. Relational databases and SQL are important in situations where you have massive amounts of data that needs to be handled. Are flat files superior to relation databases? Well, you could ask Google, as their entire archiving system works with flat files, and its the most popular search engine on Earth. Does Mimesis compare to their system? Likely not.
Mimesis was created to solve a particular niche problem. I only use free websites for my online endeavors. Plenty of free sites offer the ability to use PHP. However, they don't provide free SQL database access. Therefore, I needed to create a database that would store data, implement locking, and work around file permissions. These were the primary design parameters of Mimesis, and it succeeds on all of those.
If you need an idea of Mimesis's speed, if you navigate to the first page it will tell you what country you're viewing the site from. This free database is taken from the site ip2nation.com and ported into a Mimesis ffdb. It has hundreds if not thousands of entries.
Furthermore, the hit counter on the main page has already tracked over 7000 visitors. These are UNIQUE visits, which means that the script has to search the database to see if the IP address that's visiting already exists, and also performs a count of the total IPs.
If you've noticed the main page loads up pretty quickly and it has two fairly intensive Mimesis database scripts running on the backend. The way Mimesis stores data is done to speed up read and write procedures and also translation procedures. Most ffdb example scripts or other ffdb scripts out there use a simple CVS file or other some such structure for storing data. Mimesis actually interprets binary data at some levels to augment its functionality. Mimesis is somewhat of a hybrid between a flat file database and a relational database.
Most other ffdb scripts involve rewriting the COMPLETE file every time an update is made. Mimesis does not do this, it rewrites only the structural file and updates the actual row contents. So that even if an error does occur you only lose new data that's added, not any of the older data. Mimesis also maintains its history. Unless the table is refreshed the data that rows had previously is still contained within.
I could keep going on about all the features, but this isn't intended as a "Mimesis is the greatest database ever" rant. Moreso, its intended to open people's eyes to the fact that SQL isn't the ONLY technology available, and that flat files, when given proper development paradigms are superior to a relational database, taking into account they are more specialized.
Long live flat files and the coders who brave the headaches that follow.
The answer is "Fine" if you only NEED a flat-file structure. One test: Would a single simple spreadsheet handle all needs? If not, you need a relational structure, not a flat file.
If you're not sure, perhaps you can start flat-file. SQLite is a great app for getting started.
It's not good to learn you made the wrong choice, if you figure it out too far along in the process. But if you understand the importance of a relational structure, and upsize early on if needed, then you are fine.
I really like the ease of backing up
and transporting the databases, which
I have found harder with mySQL.
Use SQLite as mentioned in another answer. There is only one file to backup, or set up periodic dumps of the MySQL databases to SQL files. This is a relatively simple thing to do.
I see that everyone seems to prefer
the mySQL way - and it likely is
faster when it comes to queries
Speed is definitely a consideration. Databases tend to be a lot faster, because the data is organized better.
other than that is there any reason to
stay away from flat-file dbs and
(finally) properly learn mysql ?
There sure are plenty of reasons to use a database solution, but there are arguments to be made for flat files. It is always good to learn things other than what you "usually" use.
Most decisions depend on the application. How many concurrent users are you going to have? Do you need transaction support?
Wanted to inform that Mimesis has moved from the original URL to http://mimesis.site11.com/
Furthermore, I am shifting the focus of Mimesis from an ffdb to a key-value store. It's more sensible Given the types of information I'm storing and the methods I use to retrieve it. There was also a grave error present in the coding of Mimesis (which I've since fixed). However, I'm still in the testing phase of the new key-value store type. I've also been side-tracked by other things. Locking has also been changed from the use of file creation to directory creation as the mutex mechanism.
Interoperability. MySQL can be interfaced by basically any language that counts. Mimesis is unlikely to be usable outside PHP.
This becomes significant the moment you try to use profilers, or modify data from the outside.
You might also look at http://lukeplant.me.uk/resources/flatfile/ for the PHP Flatfile Package.
The issue with going flatfile is that in order to adjust the situation for further development you have to alter a significant amount of code in order to improve the foundation of the system. Whereas if it was a pure SQL system it would require little to no modification to proceed in the future.