I am new to this, I just reading about how I should not edit code on the live production server. I don't know anything about source control or SVN.
I would like to start coding on a test server then once everything is confirmed working, I want to send all the files over to the production server.
How should I go about this? I am on mac os x and was looking into apps like http://versionsapp.com/ but I am not sure if this is the right solution.
What do you suggest?
If you are new to web development, I wouldn't suggest jumping into Subversion right away. You should have a firm grasp on Subversion before actually using it in any production environment, as its surprisingly easy to screw things up. Don't let that scare you off, though, as version management (whether through SVN or another avenue) is highly useful.
And if the project in question is small enough, I don't see anything wrong with the old "develop locally then ftp it to the server" approach. Sometimes a full-blown version management tool just isn't necessary.
Whether or not a SVN deployment strategy is appropriate depends on factors such as the size of the site, your familiarity with using the command line, and whether you are working as part of a team.
It is worth noting that in most shared hosting environments you won't have the option to install SVN on the server, which narrows your options somewhat!
I don't think there is anything inherently bad about using good old fashioned FTP to get files up to a server, especially for smaller sites where you are the only person working on the site.
Even then, SVN can still be very useful. I keep all my sites under version control even if they are going to be deployed by FTP.
Just go with SVN as it is the basics. After you get a taste of it you can explore the alternatives like GIT or whatever.
You should learn to do the basic SVN stuff through the console, there is no other way especially if you are going to work on a live server. Your live server should have SVN installed and some SSH access so you can execute your SVN command there.
You can also get TortoiseSVN which is a nice visual client for SVN.
The basic SVN you are going to use is those 3 commands:
$ svn co # Checkout
$ svn ci # Commit
$ svn up # Update
There are tons of tutorials of how to do stuff, here is the first one from google:
http://paulstamatiou.com/how-to-subversion-basics
After you feel comfortable with that stuff and when you start working with team and contribute to public repositories you might start exploring the advanced stuff like branches, tags and all other terms that make some people feel important when they mention them.
This versionwhatever.com I would hold for now and explore the popular choices, before specializing, especially that SVN works on UNIX and you can put it on Linux which runs most of the web hosting out there.
Cheers!
If you're just starting out I recommend you avoid SVN. Try git, there are numerous mac tools, such as GitX for Mac. There's also github and others to host your projects for easy pulling and revisions within a group of people.
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At the moment I am using poor method to work at home and at work to do web development.
I use Wamp for testing/development and then I upload to a production web server (Linux) via FTP.
If I continue with the project at home, I have to download the files from FTP.
What is good method to work on same projects at multiple locations?
Someone suggest me to learn Git and get Github private account. Also suggested to get Vagrant installed at work and home. Do I need to install Git in Vagrant VM or local machine?
Learn git: http://try.github.io
Create a Vagrant/VrtualBox VM by following the directions at https://puphpet.com
One of the tricks here is to put the Vagrant stuff you get from Puphpet directly in your project and then commit all of it to git. You'll then be able to check out the project in a new environment and, as long as Vagrant and VirtualBox are installed, you can run vagrant up and be working in about 5 mins.
Here's an example of how I'm doing just that to allow people to easily try out a library I've written: https://github.com/jeremykendall/query-auth-impl.
Enjoy! Your life as a developer is about to get a lot easier and a whole lot better.
Github or Bitbucket. Git or Mercurial, and also Svn if it's just for yourself and you want an easier learning curve.
Any source control system would be ideal for this.
You don't want your production server to be the source of truth for the actual code. Those two concerns should definitely be separated. The production application is the output of the code, not the code itself. For a language like PHP the two may be identical, but the concerns themselves should still be separated. Indeed, for small systems the two services may even be hosted on the same server, but should still be logically separated.
The source control system maintains the changes made to the code over time, the production server is a snapshot of the current release version of the code.
I am an avid webdev hobbyist and freelance, up until now I simply edit the website live (put a maintenance message up while its being made), now all my projects up until now have also been very small.
eg I make a site, show em, take money and go, I've never had to work on a site after it's gone live.
Now my new project is pretty big and I know I will have to edit it after its gone live and maybe have a small team of devs (atm just me)
So how do people professionally handle this? I know I will need a prefix-amp app cos i run an apache server, I've also heared that people use github for versioning, but I'm not really sure because apparently its not svn?
Thanks
ps. I have a windows 7 pc, so no mac apps please
up until now i simply edit the website live
Terrible in my book ;)
so how do people professionally handle this?
First you need to setup a development server (it would be best to keep it as close as possible to the expected live environments). On this server you would install all the software you need.
You may also want to setup a staging server.
i know i will need a prefix-amp app
I hope you are not talking about those one click installers. If you would do it professionally you should install everything yourself that way you can set it up the way you need it.
ive also heared that people use github for versioning, but im not really sure because apparently its not svn?
GitHub is just a website. What you are looking for is git or svn for versioning. You could also setup a git or svn server locally instead of using services like GitHub. Basically what versioning is is that when somebody makes a change to the code he/she would need commit the changes. This way it is easy to keep track of changes in the codebase (like what was changed, when was it changed and by whom).
Local XAMP-stack (LAMP, or WAMP) for development
intranet-system for test and maybe staging
Of course the live system
Versioncontrol, I prefer git. Of course you can use SVN too, but... lets say: It's SVN.
Make changes local, test this changes local
everythings fine: Push it into the "master" vcs-repository
New version ready (or it's "sunday-night-release-time")? Push all that stuff on test/stage
Everythings fine there too: Push it into the live system
Thats very shortened of course, but it should give you an idea.
The tool where you manage your software version is not that important. Use Git, or SVN or whatever, the one you like most. But use _one_.
Equally important is that you run the "page" on two sites, a test and a live system, strictly apart. Both systems have to be very close in their layout, all changes must first be done in the test system, be verified and then done in the same manner in the live system. Do not allow changes only to be made to the live system ('cause it's just a small change'). No exceptions.
Then think about deployment: how will you transfer changed files to the target system ? You need routines for this, that run once started and don't forget a step in between.
Firstly you need some kind of versioning system: either SVN or Git. GitHub is simply an online service that provides managed Git repositories. Secondly you need a development server.
If it were just you doing development, you could host both of these on your local desktop PC, but since other developers are going to be joining, you need a remote server. If you don't want to be running a server out of your home, the best option is a VPS (virtual private server) on which you can install Git, Apache, etc. and anything else you need.
As for development software, take your pick- there are loads of options. A common choice is the NetBeans IDE and TortoiseGit combo. You use NetBeans to develop your code on, automatically uploading to your development server, then you TortoiseGit to commit and sync changes.
Only when you're ready to go live do you copy the code from the dev server to the production server.
I have a ubuntu machine I have setup. I installed apache2 and php5 on it. I can access the web server from other machines on the network via http://linux-server. I have subversion installed on it. I also have vsftpd installed on it so I can ftp to it from another computer on the network.
Myself and other users currently use dreamweaver to checkin-checkout files directly from our live site to make changes.
I want the connect to the linux server from pc. make the changes on the test server until ready and then pushed to the live site. I want to use subversion also into this workflow as well. but not sure what the best workflow is or how to set this up.
I have no experience with linux, svn, or even using a test server, the checkin/out we are currently doing is the way I have always done it.
I have hit many snags already just getting what I have setup because of my lack of knowledge in the area. Dreamweaver 5 has integration with subversion but I can't figure out how to get it to work.
I want to setup and create the best workflow possible.
I dont expect anyone to be able to give me an answer that will enlighten me enough to know everthing I need to know to do what I want to do (altough if possible that would be great) instead I am looking for maybe a knowledge path like answer. Like a general outline of what I need to do accompanied with links to learn how to do it. like read this book to learn linux, then read this article to learn svn, etc., then you should know what to do. I would be happy just getting it all setup, but I would like to know what I am actually doing while setting it up too.
I'm sure you've solved your issue by now, but for future reference to other users, here's the steps I would suggest to get started:
Create a repository for your project (in Ubuntu)
Host the SVN repo using Apache
I'd read up on the subversion book to look at some strategies for development with SVN.
To connect to your SVN machine, you'll need to use it's IP or hostname instead of your svn live site you mentioned. With proper forwarding, it's easy to access it from anywhere.
I've inherited a significantly sized internal app at the company I work for. It has two parts. One runs on a LAMP server, the other runs on a WAMP server. There is no source control to be seen.
Currently, developers will log into each server via FTP and just directly edit the PHP files that are there. Or log into phpMyAdmin and make changes to DB schema where necessary.
What is the best way to implement some source control into this situation? I'm not very knowledgeable on how to best setup CVS ans SVN. Would all developers need their own "test system"? Meaning, would I have to setup a LAMP+WAMP enviornment for each developer? Or can they would off a central dev server? What is the best way to deploy changes that have been made?
Developers all use Windows. We also use Zend Studio 5.5 for development.
Thank you in advance for any advice.
It's really not a lot of effort for a developer to have a personal LAMP/WAMP running locally or in a VM. A local dev server is worth having for testing non-live changes in a closely matched environment but it doesn't really scale if all developers are making their changes on that at once.
I'd have all developers committing to trunk in Subversion and then have a stable branch which is automatically (using a post-commit hook) deployed onto the server. Only certain people should have write access to the stable branch to ensure a junior developer doesn't accidentally screw the live server.
That's a horrible way to work on websites, especially with a team. The whole setup should be changed.
The source code should live somewhere else, and then get deployed to the website when it's ready. You could have a script that does the deployment and whatnot (copy the files over ssh, plus any other setup if needed, etc). The point is: no one should ever edit files directly on the production server.
I've read a number of topics in the same sort of ballpark as this one, but in all honesty I'm still not exactly sure on the best approach (as a starting point). I am a solo developer in a small office and I have around 30 websites which are hosted on a linux VPS. I want to start using using version control (probably SVN) and also set up a staging server. At the moment, I do development either locally on my machine before using FTP to upload to the live server, or ocassionally for small changes I edit the remote files directly, which is not an ideal approach.
I'm looking for some guidance on how to improve my development environment. I imagine I should be installing SVN on the web server, which would then allow me to check out versions to my local machine (which would also require SVN i think). Also, if I want to set up a staging server, should I just set up subdomains for each of the live websites, then use these subdomains for showing clients changes to the site before making them live?
Hope this makes sense!
This is what we do at work:
We have a staging server running Apache and a Subversion server. We have a post commit hook that updates a working copy in the htdocs directory, that way, when a developer commits something it automatically gets updated on the staging server, so everyone can see the latest code.
On the client's production servers (the ones we can control) we have the Subversion client installed and the website is a working copy. When we need to update the live site we login to a shell and run svn up. If you do something like this, make sure to limit access to the .svn directories, either with .htaccess files or from the main Apache config.
We have a custom app that manages the projects, but that is only because we're lazy and don't want to setup each project by hand, the app creates the necessary directories and working copies. You could write a quick script to do this.
We never, ever, edit files via FTP on the live site. All in all we have been using this setup for almost 2 years and aside from the occasional conflict on the staging server, we never have had any problems.
You can actually install the SVN server on your local machine, which I would recommend in lieu of installing it on the web server (assuming you make backups). The easiest thing to do, since it’s only you using it, would be to use the file:// protocol, but using svnserve is a little more robust, and the preferred method if you want to take the time to do it.
#Michael, I disagree - I would say it's better to install on the linux vps, especially if you are already paying for the hosting service. I find it very helpful to be able to browse and download stuff from my svn repo wherever I am, from whatever computer I'm on.
#nicky, I started with svn (and version control) several years ago and I took baby steps which made it easier to tackle.
If I had to do it over again, I'd read the svn book to start with. The book is very well laid out and didn't take more than 1-2 days to plow thru.
While you're reading, install svn on your linux vps with an apache front end.
Once you have that up, pick one of your websites and import it into svn. This is how I structure my svn repo. For example, say my repo is hosted at http://mysvn.mydomain.com/svn/:
mywebsite1
- trunk
- tags
- branches
mywebsite2
- trunk
- tags
- branches
Don't worry about creating the perfect structure. It's pretty easy to re-organize especially when you're starting out. After you import a few projects into svn, you'll start to get a feel for which projects should have their own "trunk/tags/branches" dir structure and which can be combined.
For creating test environments, I do exactly what you describe. I use build scripts to checkout from svn and download files into dirs that are mapped to subdomains like "test.clientsite.com" (I work primarily in java and use ant and maven, but I think you can use whatever scripting language you're familiar with).
Once you get used to version control, you'll never go back, good luck!