Today I had skype interview for a job as PHP developer, one of the questions asked was about Cookies and PHP Sessions.
The question was, can PHP session be set and read, used, if Cookies are disabled in users Browser?
I told them not, beacuse PHP Sessions by default depends on setting a session cookie. When PHP session starts, new session Cookie is set with default name PHPSESSID, and that cookie holds value of that session id, for example: ftu63d8al491s5gatuobj39gk7
Then on apache server in tmp folder file sess_ftu63d8al491s5gatuobj39gk7 is created and it holds content of that session, for example: test1|s:12:"SessionTest1";test2|s:12:"SessionTest2";
They told me that's not true, and that you can use PHP Sessions even if user disables cookies in his browser.
Then I told them that you can do that, but then session id would be passed through URL as GET variable. And that's not secure and you must set it up in php.ini.
They were talking how you can use PHP Sessions even if Cookies are disabled in browser. And what if we are building web shop, and some granny uses our web shop and disables cookies and she joust don't care. And that PHP Sessions are great because you can use them even if user disables Cookies. I was like wtf, wtf wtf?!?!
I made test with two files, index.php starts session and sets session variables. And then session.php tries to read that session variables.
This is how it looks:
index.php
<p>This is where I start and set php sessions.</p>
<?php
session_start();
$_SESSION['test1'] = "SessionTest1";
$_SESSION['test2'] = "SessionTest2";
?>
<p>This is a link, that starts new HTTP Request, and tries to read session set on this page:</p>
<p>Read Session</p>
session.php
<?php
session_start();
var_export($_SESSION);
?>
<p>Back</p>
Now, if you enable cookies in your browser, visit index.php, and the visit session.php , session would be printed out.
But, if you clear your browser history and cookies, and then visit index.php, and then visit session.php, you would see empty array right?
So basically my question is, am I right?
Can you use PHP sessions if you disable cookies in your browser?
And do PHP Session mechanism by default, depends on setting a session COOKIE?
Update:
I was going mad about this, so I called back the guy I was talking with. And asked him, can PHP session work without cookies by default? The guy said "yes". Then I told him he is wrong and he said: "yes, yes, if you say so..." and start laughing. Then I told him, ok if PHP session can work without setting cookie, how would server know current user/browser session id, if its not stored in a session cookie? (I wanted to see if he knows that session id can be passed as GET variable) And he was quiet for at least 20s, and told me that he is a System Administrator, and that I should ask that the Developer guy. And that he is 43 years old and has huge experience of 13 years in the bussines (he started with 30? wtf?), but he trusts me on this one. And I explained him how Session work and that you can use it without Cookie but then session id is passed as GET variable, and told him I told them that on interview, but they ware telling me no, no no... :S
So basically, the guy didn't have a clue about PHP and PHP Sessions, and yes he was the one that asked me about sessions telling me that PHP Session can work without cookie, even when I told him it cant be done, and that there is a way to use PHP Sessions without cookies but it won't work by default. He was like, no no no...
At the end he told me that he was thinking that sessions can work without cookies because he, as System Admin on his servers, can never see sessions in tmp folder?!?!?
Anyway, those guys suck at PHP, there is no way I will accept job offer from them, and after all this I dont think they will offer me a job anyway...
Thanks for all the comments!
"A visitor accessing your web site is assigned a unique id, the
so-called session id. This is either stored in a cookie on the user
side or is propagated in the URL. "
Sessions: Introduction
If session.use_cookies = 1 (Cookie enabled.)
If session.use_cookies = 0 (Cookie disabled.)
If session.use_cookies = 1 then session stores the sessionId into cookie. Calling session_id() get the stored sessionId from cookie and saved data into session array will be found on all the pages. If session.use_cookies = 0 In this case session does not store sessionId into cookie and you will get each time a new sessionId using session_id() and data stored into session on other pages will not be found on another pages.
Yes session will work when cookies is disabled.
But first apache check php configuration settings.
Like:
--enable-trans-sid
and
--enable-track-vars
if these value are set true the session will passed by POST automatically.
If "--enable-trans-sid" and "--enable-track-vars" values are set to FALSE, we need to pass session id by using the SID constant.
< a href="index.php?<?= SID ?>" >Navigate from here< /a >
Need to set php.ini
ini_set("session.use_cookies", 0);
ini_set("session.use_trans_sid", 1);
So basically my question is, am I right?
Mostly. In the real world: YES.
Can you use PHP sessions if you disable cookies in your browser?
You CAN use PHP sessions without cookies, as long as the browser identity is obtained somehow and yields a unique value (and this value is passed to the PHP session layer):
session ID in GET (which is the "standard" PHP way if cookies are not allowed, and the "other" way you described). This value is then propagated automatically by PHP, e.g. added to all A HREF's and so on. Where it is not propagated because the automagical link recognition failed (e.g. complex URL built in Javascript), it is your responsibility to provide accordingly.
Or - and here we're not in Kansas anymore:
passed among the nonces with Auth Digest (this is a dirty trick, and of course requires that the whole site is behind an Auth-Digest access authentication scheme. And you can no longer use a "dummy auth" (i.e. http://welcome:guest#www.example.com ) because some browsers, e.g. Internet Explorer, do not support them anymore for security reasons)
recognizing the browser some other way ("fingerprinting") (this is normally(1) suicidal)
Use LSO (Local Shared Objects) to generate a random UUID if it's not there already, and store it so that it can be retrieved on subsequent accesses.
other ways ( see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evercookie )
(1) if you were in a LAN where you can trust the IPs, you could associate a "session" to the user IP. You might enforce a strict "no cookies" policy in a small firm and still have user sessions without resorting to _GET/_POST for your session ID.
You are right, Session cannot work without cookies.
To illustrate this try doing the following actions.
Login To Gmail.
After login disabled the cookies.
Refresh the page.
You will be redirected to the login page again as the server cannot identify the session.
Now again enable the cookies.
Refresh the page. (Note: Don't click on login button).
You will be automatically redirected to the Gmail inbox.
Hence, we can say without cookies session will not work.
Also, If you are trying to login into the gmail( taking as example you can take any website) with diabled cookies then it will message as "Your browser has cookies disabled. Make sure your cookies are enabled and try again."
If it was me, I would say "Yes"
Since you could store session in form / url somewhere to passed to next page (very bad idea). So, based on his question "can PHP session be set and read, used, if Cookies are disabled in users Browser?"
Then, it should be yes. It can read and used.
However, If user close browser, then it's gone, and that's it. (since that guy didn't ask about this part)
Yes.. It will Work
1.PHP will pass one GET parameter in URL with the name PHPSESSID but it can be changed session.name in php.ini file.
2. It add one hidden input in forms with same name.
You will need to put the session ID in the URL. You will need to make a change in your php.ini file so if you are on a shared host you will need to contact them to see what they will do for you.
// tell the PHP we want to use cookies from the session
ini_set('session.use_cookies', '0');
ini_set('session.use_only_cookies', '0');
ini_set('session.use_trans_sid','1');
session_start();
// then pass the session ID in the URL(inspect, navigate the network refresh the page you will see in the headers your session ID)
I am using SilverStripe PHP framework, in which I have some login panels. My issue is when I disable cookies in my browser, I'm not able to log in. Can I escape cookies when I log in? Or is there any other solution?
One solution would be not using cookie at all and instead turning the
session.use_only_cookies to "0"
forcing to append session id to urls. This has a potential drawbacks some one getting the url can hack in to others session. Also any change in the state will be appended to url.
I'm trying to get php to automatically pass the session ID via url, even if the browser accepts cookies.
I know url session id are normally considered a security risk, but I have a very specific application in mind which requires several separate users to be able to log in to the same php session, despite what cookie settings their browsers have. Sharing the url is my aim here, rather than a threat.
There will be several "groups" of users, each group should have a unique shared session, so simply applying a fixed session id in the code won't work. I want the "owner" of the group to be able to initiate the session, get a unique id, then pass this on to all the other users, via a url.
As it's an existing application, I can't make modifications that will affect the normal session behaviour for other users - this is for users in a specific group of IPs - which is why i'm trying to modify the standard session handling.
I've tried using ini_set() to disable session.use_cookie, but that simply prevents the session from being remembered at all.
Any suggestions gratefully received.
Have you try enabling session.use_trans_sid ?
Set
session.use_cookies=0
session.use_trans_sid=1
via ini_set() or in the php.ini, .htaccess ...or where ever you can change the configuration settings.
see also:
http://docs.php.net/session.configuration#ini.session.use-cookies
http://docs.php.net/session.configuration#ini.url-rewriter.tags
I'm playing around with cookies. And I dont have any cookies called PHPSESSID.
Do i need it? Can i remove it?
Whats the "function" of it?
if (count($_POST)) {
setcookie("TestCookie", htmlspecialchars($_POST['val']), time()+3600);
}
print_r($_COOKIE);
Prints:
Array
(
[TestCookie] => blabla
[PHPSESSID] => el4ukv0kqbvoirg7nkp4dncpk3
)
PHP uses one of two methods to keep track of sessions. If cookies are enabled, like in your case, it uses them.
If cookies are disabled, it uses the URL. Although this can be done securely, it's harder and it often, well, isn't. See, e.g., session fixation.
Search for it, you will get lots of SEO advice. The conventional wisdom is that you should use the cookies, but php will keep track of the session either way.
PHPSESSID reveals you are using PHP. If you don't want this you can easily change the name using the session.name in your php.ini file or using the session_name() function.
It's the identifier for your current session in PHP. If you delete it, you won't be able to access/make use of session variables. I'd suggest you keep it.
Check php.ini for auto session id.
If you enable it, you will have PHPSESSID in your cookies.
PHPSESSID is an auto generated session cookie by the server which contains a random long number which is given out by the server itself
Using cookies in PHPv7.4 and Microsoft Edge browser, PHPSESSID only seems to be generated when first loading/initializing a web app. If I remove the cookie the browser setting (but keep the web application tab open), it kills the session and forces me to login again. However when I log back into the web application the PHPSESSID cookie does not regenerate and yet I still have my session variables working as expected.
I was testing this because I have a web app that loads an external form (from another site) within an iframe and when the form submits and redirects back to my web app (within the iframe) it loses the session within the iframe. Removing the PHPSESSID cookie fixed the problem of losing the session, but I'm not sure why the cookie is the problem (but that is for another thread).
I'm trying to send the PHPSESSID via a HTTP GET variable for a cookie-less client.
I've seen this in various drupal implementations where ?PHPSESSIONID=123ABC is appending to each link, but how do I specify this in PHP and is there any way of changing the GET parameter so it could be ?token=123ABC, or even sent via HTTP POST?
Standard LAMP stack, running the Zend framework.
Thanks!
Using a cookie or not is configured by these PHP options :
session.use_cookies
session.use_only_cookies
If the first one is set, cookies will be used if possible.
PHP should detect if cookies are enabled or not, and use them only if they are supported by the client.
To enable passing of the session id by GET instead of cookies, you might have to activate session.use_trans_sid, which is disabled by default (Which means that, by defaut, session id is only passed by cookies -- never by GET).
But note that, with this option activated, PHP will pass the session id by GET at least for the first page each user of your site will come to... as they won't have the cookie at first, and the only way to check if they support cookies is by setting one, and trying to read it back on the next page.
And users that don't support cookies, including search engines I'd probably say, will have that session id -- and that is not nice :-(
And, you might also want to take a look at session.name to set the name of the key (set to to "token" instead of "PHPSESSID", I mean)
For more details, you can take a look at the Session Handling section of the manual :-)
You can change PHPSESSID using session_name() or session.name in your php.ini file (or using ini_set()).
For cookieless clients, there's the session.use_trans_sid php.ini option - you should be aware that this can cause problems - for example users passing URLs with session IDs in to each other, or search engines picking up such URLs.
Doing it manually:
if ($_REQUEST['token'])
session_id($_REQUEST['token']);
session_start();
print("foo=".$_SESSION['foo']++."<br />".
"link<br />");
print("<form method=POST>".
"<input type=hidden name=token value=".session_id()." />".
"<input type=submit /></form>");
Create a login page, the user must not login without correct id and password.
After logging in the user comes to the home, here user can logout and goes back to the login page.
User must not access home page without going through the login page.