My friend writes everything using phps echo.
I mean he starts <? and echo everything, including header, main part, footer, he even has style.php file where he echos some css and then includes it in main project.
question is why is it better to do that way ? Or is it better at all?
Cause in dreamveawer everything is red. I mean it understands evrything as phps srtings and makes all text red.
If you do not use echo you have different colors in code and you can see where is ccs, javascript or html.
So what's better to write normally or I should try the same "echo everything" practice ?
No, it is no better to do that way.
Do not use echo to output HTML but divide your code into 2 parts - business logic part and presentation logic part, a latter one consists of mostly HTML with PHP used only to output data coming from the business logic part
a little example of such a template:
<? if ($err): ?>
<? foreach($err as $e): ?>
<div class="err"><?=$e?></div>
<? endforeach ?>
<? endif ?>
<form>
<input type="text" name="name" value="<?=$form['name']?>">
<textarea name="comments"><?=$form['comments']?></textarea>
<input type="submit">
</form>
If that's how he does it, then please slap him across the back of the head for us please?
But seriously, there is this thing called MVC, please take a look at it, comprehend it, implement it and explain it to your friend.
That's horrendous.
You should try not to mix PHP and HTML if you can help it.
In some cases you will be interleaving some dynamic content with static content (and you could use a templating engine for that); but outputting the entire HTML document via PHP statements is a clear sign of insanity and sadism.
You might be interested in templates. They're not html nor php, but a combination between these two.
The advantage is that you can see/edit/update/maintain your code much easier, because the actual php part is somewhat separated from the html markup.
The main disadvantage is that it might be a bit slower, since php reads the template, makes replacements and then spits out the html.
Here's a link to some of the most used php template engines.
Using HTML code instead of echoing has the advantage that the editor (Dreamweaver in your case) can do syntax highlighting. This will help you find errors in your HTML faster.
Also, you don't have to think too much about escaping quotes in your HTML (you still need to think about proper escaping your PHP variables anyway).
I can think of several ways the bad habit of echoing everything can be formed:
Errors from missing PHP tags while intermingling PHP and HTML. For a newbie it takes a while to wrap your head around the concept of using one language (PHP) to write code in another language (HTML). I remember when I first learned PHP I thought it would be easier to echo everything instead of opening and closing PHP tags all the time.
Coming from a language background where every output must be printed explicitly.
Having read some insane micro-optimization article on the web that claims echoing is faster or more secure.
Related
I'm rather new to programming and i know how to separate PHP from HTML, but i would like to know if there is any difference in doing
this:
<?php $rand="I love apples" ?>
<h1>This is a title</h1>
<div>
<p>This is a paragraph</p>
<?php echo"The variable contains the string $rand"; ?>
</div>
?>
compared to doing this:
<?php
echo "<h1>This is a title</h1>";
echo "<div>";
echo "<p>This is a paragraph</p>";
echo "The variable contains the string $rand";
echo "</div>";
?>
Is there any difference between in performance etc, between splitting the PHP code from the HTML code and just echoing the whole page in php?
The best practice is not to seperate PHP from HTML, the best practice is to seperate logic from markup.
Also important is coding style. Proper line indentions. Using echo "</div>"; instead of echo"</div>";, valid HTML, not putting variables into quotations:
echo "The variable contains the string $rand";
better (why? see my comment below):
echo "The variable contains the string ",
$rand,
" :-)";
Your whole project gains much quality and worthness just by improving the code, writing clean, readable, maintainable. Imagine you want to change the Text, you would have to add or change lots of echoes.
Code Style Guides > Pear,
PSR, Zend <
encourage developers to keep their code readable, valid and cross-browser compatible
The problem is not performance, it's about readability and more importantly, maintainability.
Doing all the processing in one place, and all of the output in another (i.e. Logic and Presentation), would mean you will have an easier time altering one without affecting the other too drastically.
To your specific question, the top method is preferable by far, for the reasons listed above.
Taking your question at face value, there are two reasons that come to mind immediately:
Assuming you're using a smart editor, echoing all your HTML will cause you to lose syntax highlighting for it, so you're less likely to catch errors.
Because everything is inside a PHP string, now you have to worry about escaping all your other special characters. Try spitting out some Javascript with a string in it and let us know how fun that is.
However, when most people say something like "separating PHP from HTML" they are referring to the concept of separating your logic from your views. It means don't put complex business logic, computations, and database calls inside your html pages. Keep that all in pure PHP files, and have your html files contain minimal PHP that's only used to spit out your data.
<?php $rand="I love apples" ?>
<h1>This is a title</h1>
<div>
<p>This is a paragraph</p>
<?php echo"The variable contains the string $rand"; ?>
</div>
?>
The above looks poorly separated. This is what php/html separation should look like:
<?php
$rand="I love apples";
?>
<h1>This is a title</h1>
<div>
<p>This is a paragraph</p>
<p>The variable contains the string <?=$rand ?></p>
</div>
Performance-wise, that's not an issue but it would do much favor for programmers to be able to read the code easily, hence the need for HTML/PHP separation practices. Ideally, if you're going to do just one script, keep all your PHP code at top. Also, other reason for the separation is that IDE editors can easily format HTML nicely. If there's a HTML tag inside the PHP tag that is ending with a HTML tag outside of PHP, then HTML cannot be formatted correctly. For example:
<div><p>And it offers so much <?php echo "$features</p>
<h2>Proven Ideas";?></h2>
<p>More details ahead</p>
</div>
The above will run just fine but the IDE html formatter will likely be confused with missing end tags and won't format making it more difficult for programmers to read them.
I think you example is not a good one that makes it very clear why you should separate it.
The reason why you should separate not just HTML but the presentation, rendering or UI part of your application is clean coding and separation of concerns. This will make sure your get clean, easy to read code and makes your application maintable.
Take Wordpress for example, it is an extremely fugly mix of php and HTML. They even do SQL queries in the presentation layer of the application, if you can even draw a borderline between presentation and other logic in this thing.
You'll always have to output some dynamic content in your HTML but really try to reduce it to echoing variables and having some output formatting helper objects there. All business logic should be somewhere else, just not in the "templates" or whatever else you'll call the files that contain the output.
Have a look at the MVC pattern for example, it gives you a good idea of how and why you want to separate things.
In my opinion, it depends on the level of HTML formatting that is being done versus PHP logic. Nothing more & nothing less. It’s simply easier to read pure HTML as pure HTML or PHP as straight PHP. When it is all jummbled together—the way some templating systems handle it—it becomes a logical headache to read & debug. So I err on the side of placing HTML in PHP for my own sanity’s sake.
Unclear on the performance pluses or minuses if there are any. But can assure you that in 20+ years I have never had a server slow down because of too much HTML embedded in PHP
Personally, I would format your code example like this:
<?php
echo "<h1>This is a title</h1>"
. "<div>"
. "<p>This is a paragraph</p>"
. "The variable contains the string $rand"
. "</div>"
;
?>
I like this method since there is one echo—which makes it clear what is happening—and the rest of the HTML is just concatenated via . characters.
Also, remember all formatting in programming benefits HUMANS more than anything. A computer only needs to see the commands, so if you want to be pitch perfect for a machine, just code without any spaces or formatting. Heck, stop using full words & just use 1 letter variables! Oh wait, that is how it was done in ye olden days.
Nowadays compilers & caching systems are designed to take human readable code & make it machine optimized.
Which is all to say: You should code towards readability & logic on your part. Nothing more & nothing less.
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Easiest way to echo HTML in PHP?
Hello,
one simple and short question. If you have a php file that contains HTML code, is it better to do the output with echo or to write the HTML code directly into the file? For example the file some.php contains either:
<div>This is a text</div>test<?php if(---) { whatever; } ?>
or:
<?php echo "<div>This is a text</div>test"; if(---) { whatever; } ?>
Which version is faster, cleaner and better?
In my opinion this really depends on how long the code snippet is. For simple lines I'd just use echo. For longer parts (especially with lots of " to escape) i'd prefer "closing" the php code (your second approach).
Depending on the amount of text/HTML to print I'd also consider using some kind of simple templating engine to load a template file and just fill in dynamic variables/placeholders/gaps.
I prefer the first method meaning HTML shouldn't be mixed with PHP as much as possible. With this I don't have to worry about mis-match of quotes, etc. There exists heredocs syntax but yet the first method is something I find easier to work with.
Just choose a way you are more comfortable with and that makes it easier for other programmers to handle you code if they have to :)
Your question seems to imply that you keep your PHP and HTML in the same file. You might want to think about separating the two. This would leave you with an HTML template that would look like your first example.
Not only will this make it easier to focus on either PHP or HTML, but like lonesomeday mentioned you will be able to leverage your IDE's HTML handling capabilities which can make things a lot easier for you. Plus it's easier to let web designers work on the frontend without them having to understand PHP.
Please rewrite:
<?php
echo '<div>This is a text</div>test';
if(---) { whatever; }
?>
The single quote parses faster then the double quotes. Second, I have heard that the opening and closing of PHP blocks would be a performance penalty, but I can't confirm that.
It is just a personal preference. I like it to echo all the HTML with PHP.
For the most part, when I want to display some HTML code to be actually rendered I would use a 'close PHP' tag, write the HTML, then open the PHP again. eg
<?php
// some php code
?>
<p>HTML that I want displayed</p>
<?php
// more php code
?>
But I have seen lots of people who would just use echo instead, so they would have done the above something like
<?php
// some php code
echo("<p>HTML that I want displayed</p>");
// more php code
?>
Is their any performance hit for dropping out and back in like that? I would assume not as the PHP engine would have to process the entire file either way.
What about when you use the echo function in the way that dose not look like a function, eg
echo "<p>HTML that I want displayed</p>"
I would hope that this is purely a matter of taste, but I would like to know if I was missing out on something. I personally find the first way preferable (dropping out of PHP then back in) as it helps draw a clear distinction between PHP and HTML and also lets you make use of code highlighting and hinting for your HTML, which is always handy.
The first type is preferable, exactly for the reasons you mentioned.
Actually, echoing out whole chunks of html is considered bad practice.
No, there's no performance increase that would be visible.
Sometimes its just simply easier to output content using echo (for example, when inside a while or for loop) than to close the php tag.
I think there's a preprocessor which converts the same form into the second. That's what happens in ASP.NET, anyway. And in both ASP.NET and classic ASP, loops can actually stretch across raw-HTML regions.
There's no performance difference at all.
Just the style that produces the most readable code. Depending on the actual situation that can be either of the two.
But mixing HTML and PHP should be avoided where possible anyway. THis can be accomplished by using a template system for your views.
So I've always developed PHP pages like this: <?php goes at the top, ?> goes at the bottom, and all the HTML gets either print()ed or echo()ed out. Is that slower than having non-dynamic html outputted outside of <?php ?> tags? I can't seem to find any info about this.
Thanks!
--Mala
UPDATE: the consesus seems to be on doing it my old way being hard to read. This is not the case if you break your strings up line by line as in:
print("\n".
"first line goes here\n".
"second line goes here\n".
"third line");
etc. It actually makes it a lot easier to read than having html outside of php structures, as this way everything is properly indented. That being said, it involves a lot of string concatenation.
I'm not sure about speed, but it's typically best practice to separate dynamic elements and the display of them.
Check out a framework like CodeIgniter: This has a "controller" and a "model" that grab data, sort it or do whatever you like with it, and then feed it to a "view" (some sort of template).
This paradigm is called MVC, and is a really, really valuable thing to learn about. I've found its chief advantage to be easier-to-maintain code. I don't end up with a monster document that I have to re-learn each time I approach it.
Resources:
CodeIgniter
MVC
The difference in speed is probably negligible, however, when **print()**ing out all of your HTML with PHP, the code can get very ugly, and makes it much harder to read than if you just have plain HTML.
Edit: Also, if you're are **print()**ing out static HTML that doesn't change, really what is the point? It gives you no added benefit.
Pros
None that I can see
Cons
Code that is hard to read
One more step in processing for the PHP engine, which although probably not noticeable, it is an extra step.
The speed is negligible - trust me, this will not be your bottleneck.
Along with any other MVC framework, you might want to check out a simple templating system, such as Smarty, which separates your PHP logic from your HTML and also does caching.
I don't know if it's slower or faster, but (in my opinion) it makes the code a lot more difficult to understand. Which I guess is why I don't typically do it.
It is almost the same from a performance point of view.
I would set the focus on the readability of the code. If you have a performance problem, figure out the bottleneck and cache it.
Is that slower than having non-dynamic html outputted outside of <?php ?> tags?
Well yes, it is... marginally. But that's not really the issue: it's all about the readability.
this way everything is properly indented
Your example isn't indented at all, which is fairly typical for the print-heavy, PHP I've unfortunately had to maintain!
Try this approach to keeping good, consistent indentation:
<ul>
<?php
// block of arbitrary code blah blah
//
$conditions= get_conditions_from_request();
$isadmin= $user->privileges>=PRIV_ADMIN;
?>
<?php foreach (select_things($conditions) as $thing) { ?>
<li>
<strong><?php h($thing->title); ?></strong>
<?php if ($isadmin) { ?>
<a href="/editthing.php?id=<?php u($thing->id); ?> (Edit) </a>
<?php } ?>
<?php h($thing->description); ?>
</li>
<?php } ?>
</ul>
(This presumes a function h that calls echo htmlspecialchars and u that does echo htmlspecialchars urlencode. Getting this escaping stuff right is essential to having a secure site, and is something that's almost always wrong in print-based PHP, as it tends to use "blah $var blah"-style templating without any escaping at all.)
Maybe not the best practice, but I choose to mix and match print() statements. For large chunks of layout code, I don't use print(), but if I'm rendering a complex if/else or for/while block and I'd be exiting the PHP block every other word, then I'll print out the non-dynamic text with the dynamic text.
Performance is very negligible at best. You can create a page, and put a timer on it. (Here is a tutorial on creating a script timer)
Output the exact same data both ways, and measure it with as many samplings as you can get, this should roughly tell you which is faster. I'm guessing very close to the same.
I have seen a lot of these pages with PHP embedded inside HTML, and I don't like it. As Alex Mcp suggested you should be thinking about a MVC model.
The problem with scripts embedded into html is the flow control and logic aren't easy to read, and there are some wierd problems that occur here and there. The best solution for me is usually to use Smarty or the Zend Framework to create template pages and then swap the data that goes in and out. Much easier to manage in the long run.
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This has been bugging me today after checking the source out on a site. I use PHP output in my templates for dynamic content. The templates start out in html only, and are cleanly indented and formatted. The PHP content is then added in and indented to match the html formating.
<ul>
<li>nav1</li>
<li>nav2</li>
<li>nav3</li>
</ul>
Becomes:
<ul>
<?php foreach($navitems as $nav):?>
<li><?=$nav?></li>
<?php endforeach; ?>
</ul>
When output in html, the encapsulated PHP lines are dropped but the white space used to format them are left in and throws the view source formatting all out of whack. The site I mentioned is cleanly formatted on the view source output. Should I assume they are using some template engine? Also would there be any way to clean up the kind of templates I have? with out manually removing the whitespace and sacrificing readability on the dev side?
That's something that's bugging me, too. The best you can do is using tidy to postprocess the text. Add this line to the start of your page (and be prepared for output buffering havoc when you encounter your first PHP error with output buffering on):
ob_start('ob_tidyhandler');
You can't really get clean output from inlining PHP. I would strongly suggest using some kind of templating engine such as Smarty. Aside from the clean output, template engines have the advantage of maintaining some separation between your code and your design, increasing the maintainability and readability of complex websites.
i admit, i like clean, nicely indented html too. often it doesn't work out the way i want, because of the same reasons you're having. sometimes manual indentation and linebreaks are not preserverd, or it doesn't work because of subtemplates where you reset indentation.
and the machines really don't care. not about whitespace, not about comments, the only thing they might care about is minified stuff, so additional whitespace and comments are actually counter-productive. but it's so pretty *sigh*
sometimes, if firebugs not available, i just like it for debugging. because of that most of the time i have an option to activate html tidy manually for the current request. be careful: tidy automatically corrects certain errors (depending on the configuration options), so it may actually hide errors from you.
Does "pretty" HTML output matter? You'll be pasting the output HTML into an editor whenever you want to poke through it, and the editor will presumably have the option to format it correctly (or you need to switch editors!).
I find the suggestions to use an additional templating language (because that's exactly what PHP is) abhorrent. You'd slow down each and every page to correct the odd space or tab? If anything, I would go the other direction and lean towards running each page through a tool to remove the remaining whitespace.
The way I do it is:
<ul>
<?php foreach($navitems as $nav):?>
<li><?=$nav?></li>
<?php endforeach; ?>
</ul>
Basically all my conditionals and loop blocks are flush left within the views. If they are nested, I indent inside the PHP start tag, like so:
<ul>
<?php foreach($navitems as $nav):?>
<?php if($nav!== null) : ?>
<li><?=$nav?></li>
<?php endif; ?>
<?php endforeach; ?>
</ul>
This way, I see the presentation logic clearly when I skim the code, and it makes for clean HTML output as well. The output inside the blocks are exactly where I put them.
A warning though, PHP eats newlines after the closing tag ?>. This becomes a problem when you do something like outputting inside a <pre> block.
<pre>
<?php foreach($vars as $var ) ?>
<?=$var?>
<?php endforeach; ?>
</pre>
This will output:
<pre>
0 1 2 3 4 5 </pre>
This is kind of a hack, but adding a space after the <?=$var?> makes it clean.
Sorry for the excessive code blocks, but this has been bugging me for a long time as well. Hope it helps, after about 7 months.
You few times I have tidied my output for debugging my generated HTML code I have used tabs and newlines... ie;
print "<table>\n";
print "\t<tr>\n";
print "\t\t<td>\n";
print "\t\t\tMy Content!\n";
print "\t\t</td>\n";
print "\t</tr>\n";
print "</table>\n";
I about fell over when I read "I'm really curious why you think it's important to have generated HTML that's "readable". Unfortunately, there were quite a few people on this page (and elsewhere) that think this way...that the browser reads it the same so why worry about the way the code looks.
First, keeping the "code" readable makes debugging (or working in it in general by you or a developer in the future) much easier in almost all cases.
Furthermore, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, it's referred to as quality of workmanship. It's the difference between a Yugo and a Mercedes. Yes, they are both cars and they both will take you from point "A" to point "B". But, the difference is in the quality of the product with mostly what is not seen. There is nothing worse than jumping into a project and first having to clean up someone else's code just to be able to make sense of things, all because they figured that it still works the same and have no pride in what they do. Cleaner code will ALWAYS benefit you and anyone else that has to deal with it not to mention reflect a level of pride and expertise in what you do.
If it's REAL important in your specific case, you could do this...
<ul><?php foreach($navitems as $nav):?>
<li><?=$nav?></li><?php endforeach; ?>
</ul>
Although that is worse in my opinion, because your code is less readable, even though the HTML is as you desire.
I don't care how clean the output is - it's the original source code that produced it that has to be easy to parse - for me as a developer.
If I was examining the output, I'll run it through tidy to clean it up, if it were required to take a good look at it - but validators don't care about extra spaces or tabs either.
In fact, I'm more likely to strip whitespace out of the output HTML than put any in - less bytes on the wire = faster downloads. not by much, but sometimes it would help in a high traffic scenario (though of course, gzipping the output helps more).
Viewing unformatted source is very annoying with multiple nested divs and many records each containing these divs..
I came across this firefox addon called Phoenix Editor. You can view your source in it's editor and then click "format" and it works like a charm!
Link Here
Try xtemplate http://www.phpxtemplate.org/HomePage its not as well documented as id like, but ive used it to great effect
you would have something like this
<?php
$response = new xtemplate('template.htm');
foreach($navitems as $item)
{
$response->assign('stuff',$item);
$response->parse('main.thelist');
}
$response->parse('main');
$response.out('main');
?>
And the html file would contain
<! -- BEGIN: main -->
<html>
<head></head>
<body>
<ul>
<! -- BEGIN: thelist -->
<li>{stuff}</li>
<!-- END: thelist -->
</ul>
</body>
</html>
I Agree, A clean source is very important, Its well commented, well structured and maintence on those sources, scripts, or code is very quick and simple. You should look into fragmenting your main, using require (prior.php, header.php, title.php, content.php, post.php) in the corresponding places, then write a new function under prior.php that will parse and layout html tags using the explode method and a string splitter, have an integer for tab index, and whenever </ is in the functions string then integer-- whenever < and > but not /> and </ are in the string integer ++ and it all has to be placed properly.... , use a for loop to rebuild another string tabindex to tab the contents integer times.