I have been trying to figure out if the request object should handle sorting out the controller and action or if that should be left up to the router? What I mean is that when the request object is passed to the router, if it should already contain the properties for the controller and action. Forgive me if this has been answered before but I couldn't find anything specific to this topic.
Most of the content I have found on this doesn't even use a request object. I know I could download a framework and look but I figure it might be just as easy to ask here.
This is very different in many Frameworks, but the basics are similar to this:
The Request Object (or any other kind of container for the passed input data) should only have this one responsibility: Containing the input (and sometimes result) data.
A specific other object (Called "Front Controller" in many frameworks) should sort out what controller and action to be called and nothing else.
This logic usually continues with the actuall called controller that only has the responsibility of selecting the correct model, and the model of only handling the data. Some frameworks split this even further.
But the theory is allways same: Each part of your app should only have to focus on one single task.
The link from #teresko above tells you the theory behind this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_responsibility_principle
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I come from a Java/Grails background and cannot seem to find a definite answer online as to where the service logic for a CakePHP application should be stored. By "Services", I am talking about classes that are usually instantiated through dependency injection to conduct business logic on domain objects. They should be able to query any domain object and make changes in response to a controller action.
Currently, CakePHP's "Component" class seems to be the closest match to this behavior. I can load a component into any controller and execute its methods as needed. However, I have read in several places that components should never access the database and that doing so will result in some steep performance hits.
I have also looked into CakePHP's "Behavior" class and it doesn't seem to fit the ticket at all. It seems well-equipped to organize domain objects into a data structure setting, but that's not the kind of logic that a service would execute. Also, to import any model definition into a Behavior, I would have to edit the model definition itself to allow access, which is very awkward.
So I ask this question: Where should service logic be stored? Certainly not the controller, as it should only contain the minimal logic to process a request and send a response.
Components are the service layer in CakePHP. They are constructed by a dependency injection container (Components Collection) and get passed the controller, request and response that is to be handled.
There are no restrictions in what Components can do other than maintaining separation between layers. It is fine to use database connections, or use models, directly from a component and modify the request.
Components are actually very light-weighted if you only make them act for specific cases. Inspecting the action name, is a common way of limiting the reach of a component. You can also inject setting so it can know when is OK to execute custom service logic.
So I ask this question: Where should service logic be stored?
Certainly not the controller, as it should only contain the minimal
logic to process a request and send a response.
Sounds like the ideal use case for a Dispatcher Filter. It gets called even before a controller is instantiated. If you need to query the database simply load a model via ClassRegistry::init('YourModelName') and pass the request params to the model method and return whatever you need in your request. No controller needed at all. We've implemented oauth + xhttp using Dispatcher Filters without calling ever a controller.
How using a model inside a component should effect the performance... I don't know who got that strange idea, sounds like not the best article you found. It is true that you should not put model layer related logic in them but you can call a model for example through the controller instance and the controllers models.
I've been working on creating my own MVC app in PHP and I've seen a lot of differing opinions online about how exactly this should be set up. Sure, I understand there seems to be a general "It's MVC, it is what you make of it" approach, but I'm running into 2 seemingly conflicting viewpoints.
A little background on my app: I'm using smarty as my presenter and an object-oriented approach. Seems simple enough, but I'm trying to figure out the ubiquitous "what is a model" question.
If I take a look at some tutorials and frameworks, they seem to view the model as strictly a class that inherits DAL methods from an abstract class, with a little bit extra defined in the class itself as your data needs differ from object to object. For example, I might see something like $productModel->get(5) that returns an array of 5 products from the database. So what if I need to query multiple models? Do I store all of the data in the controller or an array and pass that to the view? Then if I'm dynamically calling my controller, how can I persist the data unique to the controller necessary to render the view? This seems bad, especially because I then have to pass in things like "controllerName", "controllerData", and my View::render() method gets hugely bloated with parameters, unless I pass in the controller itself. Maybe I'm missing something here.
Let's say I want to make a login that queries a users table. Login is a model or a controller, depending on certain implementations I've seen online. Some implementations (I'll call this method 1) make a LoginController with method login() that might do a comparison of $_POST and what's returned from the user model instance $user->get(1) to see if a user is validated. Or maybe login() might be a method in a default controller. On the flipside, an implementation (implementation method 2) that resembles more of a Joomla approach would make a Login model and declare all of the actions inside of that. Then any data that needs to get assigned to the view would get returned from those methods. So login->login() would actually check post, see if there's a match, etc. Also the User model would probably be instantiated inside that model method.
My feelings about 1: The controller is fat. Additionally the controller is storing data pulled from models or passing in ten thousand variables. It doesn't seem to jibe with the idea that the model should be passing data to the view that the controller should be blind to. Also, let's say I want to wrap everything that is in a specific model handled by a specific controller in an outer template. I'd have to copy this template-setting code all across my controller functions that interface with this model. It seems grossly inefficient.
My feelings about 2: It doesn't make for having actions that aren't model methods. If I want to go to my site root, I have to make an index model or something that seems like overkill in order to have a model that passes data to the view. Also, this doesn't seem to be a very popular approach. However, I do like it more because I can just do View::render(mymodel->func()) and ensure that the data is going to be passed back just the way I like it without having to crap up my controller with code merging a thousand query results together.
I've waded through far too many religious arguments about this and want to know what you guys think.
I've built my own framework in the past too so I know what you're going through. I've heard the saying "build fat models" and I agree with that -- as long as the main goal is to return data. I considered the controller to be "The Overlord" as it manipulated data and directed where it should go.
For a login controller i might create something it like...
Post URI: http://example.com/login/authenticate
LoginController extends ParentController {
public function authenticate() {
$credential_model = $this->getModel('credentials');
// Obviously you should sanitize the $_POST values.
$is_valid = $credential_model->isValid($_POST['user'], $_POST['email']);
$view = $is_valid ? 'login_fail.php' : 'login_success.php';
$data = array();
$data['a'] = $a;
// .. more vars
$this->view->render($view, $data);
}
}
In my opinion data should always flow from the model -> controller -> view as it makes the most sense (data, manipulation, output). The View should only have access to what it has been given by the controller.
As for this...
Then if I'm dynamically calling my controller, how can I persist the data unique to the controller necessary to render the view?
Well I would imagine you're building a 'base' or 'parent' controller that gets extended off of by your dynamically called controllers. Those child controllers can have properties that are needed for for the view to render -- honestly I'd need an example to go further.
Hopefully this helps a bit. If you ask more specific questions I might be able to give a better thought out opinion.
If you're writing your own app, I think the best solution is to do it yourself and find out.
Ultimately, whatever makes the most sense to you, and whatever makes it easier for you to conceptualize your app and quickly add to or change it, is going to be your best option.
If one way is "wrong", then you'll find out through experience, rather than someone else telling you. And you'll know the entire situation that much better, and know EXACTLY why one way is better.
What helped me when I was writing my own framework in PHP was, strangely enough, CherryPy. It made the concept of an object-oriented web app so simple and obvious, and I enjoyed using it so much, that I modeled the basic structure of my PHP framework to imitate CherryPy.
I don't mean to imply you should learn CherryPy. I mean that simplicity, clarity, and enjoying developing with your own web app go a LONG way.
If I were to give one piece of specific advice, I'd say try to avoid retyping code; write your code to be reusable in as many situations as possible. This will not only be good for your app, but for future apps you may write or work on.
You might check out Eric S. Raymond's Rules for Unix Programming. I think they're definitely applicable here.
I am learning the PHP MVC pattern for my backend implementation. Looking at this excellent example:
Implementing MVC in PHP: The Controller
http://onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2005/11/03/mvc_controller.html
I feel comfortable with the execution flow in a GET.
But there is no mentioning of what happens in a POST. What would the typical controller code for the POST do? I wonder if I am misunderstanding something obvious here, since I can't find similar situations in previous SO posts or Google.
For example: An app to manage persons,(name, last, age) wants to add a record to db when a POST hits the controller.
What happens next?
My guess is that the 'View' is not used at all, or maybe for confirmation?
Is there just a call from the controller to a model class that adds a record to db?
Or do I skip the controller altogether for a POST and go directly to an "add record" script?
Is there any available example?
Thanks in advance,
Ari
Well, POST is basically the same as GET, just some random chunks of info client sended to server. So you can treat it the same way.
I worked with CodeIgniter MVC framework in PHP. It uses GET URI to route to controller and it's methods. When the POST request comes, it treats its URI in the same way. The later actions are in the hand of the programmer, who accesses POST request data directly or through some wrapper, and he can also don't use it at all.
I need to say that you focus on the wrong parts. MVC is not the model of everything, and it doesn't say how to treat POST or GET requests. It's just a simple principle known many years before the name "MVC" became famous as the principle about splitting of logic, data and representation. And most of software(from old to new) actually do this splitting, because it is very hard not to do this in most cases. In some apps the borders are not so evident, some of them even haven't object model. The implementation of the app is always up to you, because MVC doesn't say you what to write but just gives some clues about highest level organization of you code.
P.S. Sorry for my bad English.
Typically, the controller would process the request (the controller processes ALL requests), then call into the model to actually manipulate data based on the request, and then either redirect to somewhere else (triggering a new GET request), or invoke a view to output a resulting page.
Well, if you are going to build your own MVC pattern solution, you could make one tricky thing. Since you're handling MVC you're supposed to have a really reliable routing manager. So after parsing your URL and defining what controller/method you are supposed to trigger, you could make something like:
<?php
...;
$method_name = (count($_POST) > 0) ? "post_".$route_result : $route_result;
...;
and later in your controller class you could do something like:
<?php
namespace Controllers;
class MyController extends \System\Controller {
function my_method($whatever = null){
...;
return $this->view($model_or_whatever); // supposed that you prepared view Class in routes
}
function post_my_method($whatever = null){
...;
return $this->view($model_or_whatever); // supposed that you prepared view Class in routes
}
}
I’m trying to learn and fully understand mvc pattern and learn php at the same time. I decided to built basic mvc framework that I could use on various projects later on. Having read lots of posts in here regarding mvc and coupling between models/views/controllers I’m a bit lost.. At the moment my understanding is that in web application controllers deal with coming request from browser and, if necessary, calls methods on model classes telling models to change its state. Then controller instantiate appropriate view class that will be responsible for displaying interface.
Here's the bit I don’t understand...
Now should controller pass appropriate model object to view and view should pull out all the data from model when needed?
Or controller should grab data from model and pass it to view, possibly wrapping it all into single wrapper object that view will access and grab data from there?
Or view should simply instantiate appropriate model when needed and pull out data directly from model object?
From what I read here
http://www.phpwact.org/pattern/model_view_controller
I’d lean towards the 3rd option where controller doesn’t pass anything to view and view instantiates model it needs. This is because:
view and controller should have same access to model
controller shouldn’t act simply as mediator in between view and model.
Is there really one correct way to do it or it rather depends on project? Also what approach would you recommend to someone who has decent understanding of OOP but is relatively new to php and not too clear on mvc architecture. Or maybe I should go with whatever seems right to me and learn from my mistakes (would like to avoid this one though ;)?
Now, please let me know if my question is not clear will try to better explain then.. Also I read lots of posts on stackoverflow and numerous articles on different sites, but still would appreciate help so thanks in advance for all answers.
Personally, I've always been a proponent of #2. The view shouldn't care about the model. The view shouldn't have any processing at all for that matter. It should do what it's supposed to do, format data.
The basic flow of control should be thus: The controller recieves a request from a browser. It processes the request, decides what data is needed, and retrieves it from the model/s. It then passes the data into the view which format the data and displays it.
As an extension, user input is processed inside the controller, and saved into a model if needed, then feedback is fed into a view, etc. The key point to take away is that processing happens inside the controller.
Personally, I've always been a proponent of #3. The view shouldn't care about the controller. The view shouldn't have any dependency on the controller for that matter. It should do what it's supposed to do, show a view of the model.
The basic flow of control should be thus: The controller receives a request from a browser. It makes any updates to the model, that is relevant, and then selects a view. The control is then passed to the view, which gets data from the model and renders it.
As an extension, user input can be consider part of the model, and both the controller and the view may read from it. The key point to take away is that Controller and View should have no dependency on each other. That's why the pattern is called MVC.
Now, personally, I find MVC a bit too tedious, and so I usually conflate Controller and View more than this. But then that isn't really MVC.
Web MVC and Desktop MVC are two very different beasts.
In Web MVC, a link in a View calls a method on a Controller, which updates a Model, and then redirects to an appropiate View, which opens up a Model and shows what it needs.
In a Desktop MVC, option 3 is wrong because both the view and the model should use the same reference. In Web, there's no choice.
Option number 2 is not MVC. It's MVP, wherein the Presenter is a mediator.
A Controller has Write-Access to a Model; a View has only Read access.
This is a very interesting question.
From my experience most implementations in php assign a model variable to the view:
$this->view->my_property = $modelObj->property
This is common practice.
The common reasoning for this is that if you send the object then you can call methods that modify the object from the view.
//in the controller file
$this->view->myObject = $modelObj;
//in the view file, you could call an object modifying method
$this->myObject->delete();
And modifying the model from the view is considered bad practice. Some people thing that they don't want their designers being able to call model modifying methods from the view.
That being said. I don't agree with the common practice and tend to assign the whole object to the view and display it from there. And just discipline my self to not make operations there.
And a third option is to assign the whole object to the view. but some how in the objects disable methods when they are called from the view.
I think this is just a generic argue about what is better "push" or "pull" model. There is no "absolutely" best solution.
I had a very similar question earlier. I find helpful to think of it as follows:
MVC
Model -- Data store, alerts Views of changes
View -- Displays model, provides hooks for user interaction
Controller -- Handles user input
You would use MVC more often in non-web apps, where lots of classes are interacting with eachother simultaneous.
In a web application MVC means MVT (Model-View-Template)
Model -- Strictly a data store, typically an ORM solution
View -- Handles web requests, provides for user input/output
Template -- Actually displays content (HTML, Javascript, etc.)
So in a web application the presentation is handled in the Template, the logic behind the application is handled in the View (or classes called by the view), and the model is responsible for holding data.
The reason why so many developers today can't get the knock of MVC is because the abbreviation of MVC was incorrectly stated from day one when it arrived into software development, but the concept is correct back then and also today. Since I am from the old school, let me explain it for you; when you are creating an object you first create a Model so the customer can View it, once it is approved you will have full Control on how the object is going to be made. That's how it is to this day in product manufacturing.
In today’s web application development such term should be VCM. Why! You View what's on the web browser, and then you click a button for action, that is known as the Controller. The controller alerts the Model, which is the instruction or logic to produce a result (that is your script). The result is then sent back to the user for viewing. In software engineering, you can refer to it as CMV; because the user won't able to view anything until the apps is compiled and installed. So we will need a Controlling device (PC); the OS as the Model and a monitor to View the results. If you can understand those concepts, MVC should start to look much more appetizing. I hope this concept will help someone to understand MVC.
I tend toward having the controller act as an intermediary between the model and the view, but generally this is literally a single line of code that connects the three together. If your model, view, and controller are properly decoupled it should make very little difference which you use.
I recently read this post which led to a series of other posts that all seem to suggest the same idea: Models do everything, the View should be able to communicate directly with the model and vice versa all while the Controller stays out of the way. However, all of the examples shown are fairly simplistic and none really show an example of how anyone has tried to implement full handling of of a request / response cycle, which got me to wondering "should the model be responsible for handling the request (ie $_GET, $_POST, etc) itself?" and "should the controller only operate as a pass-through to instantiate the necessary model(s) and pass the model(s) to the view?". (In fact I found one example taken the extreme of embedding a Zend_Form object in the model)
From my reading of what Fowler says about MVC and just controller's in general it seems at first glance that the thinner the controller layer the better. But then I took the time to back through and study what he says about both MVC and Front Controller (which just muddies the waters because both patterns define controllers) and now my instincts suggest that Zend_Framework in implementing both of these patterns, has actually created a composite object that performs the functions of a Controller in MVC and those of a Command object in Front Controller (or some such).
So I'm wondering what the general opinions would be of others who have implemented similar patterns in their apps - do you handle the request entirely within the controller layer or do you make the model aware of the request and handle parameters directly within the model?
My first thought is to avoid handling any sort of request in the model. That is the job of the controller. Here is why: suppose you have a model that does handle your requests (GET or POST). That structure will likely work well initially. Now, suppose you want to add some sort of AJAX functionality or put up a service interface to your system. Now that you accept more than simple GET/POST, i.e. JSON or XML, your model will have to distinguish between each request type and know how to parse them. I believe that destroys a lot of simplicity and clarity of the model code. I agree that the controller layer should be thin, but it should also have a role and an expertise. For me a controllers expertise is to:
Handle incoming requests
Delivery data to the model
Request/accept data from the model
Pass the data's model to the view
I vacillate on how much the view should know about the model. Some people recommend the model go straight into the view, but I think that is fragile coupling. It frequently leads to logic in the view. Also, if you are working on a project where the team members working on the view are not as programming savvy as the main developers it puts a large burden on them to keep up with changes. I tend to package the data I hand to my views in a neutral structure instead of handing over the full models.
My interpretation of MVC is mostly pragmatic. The model's job is to model the domain you are working on and should not care where the data comes from. I frequently structure model code with the assumption that it could be used outside of the web application in perhaps a command line application or a desktop application. That sort of union rarely happens, but it leads to clear purpose of each layer. The controllers job is to move data between involved parties, be they client requests, the models, or the view. The controller should have very little domain logic, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have any code. Finally, the view should just look pretty. Hope that helps.
handling the user instructions/input (like HTTP requests) is the job of the controller. model is for working/manipulating/fetching the data and view is for showing the results to user. this means that connection between the view and the model is duty of a controller most of times.