I have a PHP website storing user passwords encrypted and salted.
Method used is crypt($password, $salt). Salt is generated randomly.
Result is something like
$2a$08$saltsaltsaltsaltsaltsaltsaHashHashHashHashHashHashHash
Now I have to login to this database using something different than PHP, e.g. .NET. Problem now: crypt() does not exist in .NET.
I am now thinking of rewriting crypt() in .NET and extract the salt from above password-hash.
Is it safe to make the salt used for hashing a password publicly available? Or do I weaken security extremely?
Yes, sending the salt to anyone asking for it is insecure. Knowing it makes the number of possible values to guess much smaller and it is much easier to use brute force attacks to guess the original unsalted password. See this answer in security.stackexchange.com for more details.
Preface: Making a simple ecommerce website. Users are automatically added, when they register, via registration page. I want to automatically encrypt their passwords.
Problem: The MySQL website shows how to use AES_ECRYPT, but it seems like it's for Terminal-type settings where the Admin would manually do this.
I want to add some code to register.php to make it automatically encrypted.
Thanks!
As the other answers have stated, you should not encrypt your passwords. They should be hashed.
They should NOT use MD5 or SHA
You SHOULD use bcrypt
Encryption should not be used because you never want to be able to decrypt the values and see the passwords, because hackers could also do the same.
Hashes are like one way encryption, you create a hash, and when logging in, you hash the password they entered on login and compare it against the stored hash.
MD5 and SHA are not suitable for this anymore as computers are faster and faster they can hash dictionary words and common passwords at a rate of 60+ billion per second to try to get your passwords.
This topic has been covered to death on StackOverflow.
See this for how to use bcrypt How do you use bcrypt for hashing passwords in PHP?
And this for an explanation as for why: Secure hash and salt for PHP passwords
You are going to want to hash passwords and not encrypt them. An encryption can be undone with the key. The password the user types in is called the plaintext password, the plaintext password should NEVER be written or stored anywhere.
When something is hashed, it is a one way translation, a hash cannot easily be translated back to its plaintext form, so when someone enters their password, you hash it and then compare it with the hashed password stored in the database.
A few hashing algorithms are MD5, SHA1, etc- in PHP, you can use the crypt function to hash a password. I should note that MD5 and SHA1 are not as secure anymore as they are very fast, which means that they can be brute forced fairly quickly (there are also databases where you can reverse engineer the hashes fairly quickly). You should use PHP's crypt function.
tl;dr - Hash passwords, don't encrypt them (for security, especially eCommerce).
I know that there are alots of questions about this subject but i really need to ask this.
Today I've been working on encrypting passwords with md5.
So what I've done is.
I got 4 salts. (they changes depending on user values)
from email id and substr then md5 them
from email and id substr other positions
a long string, substr it and then md5 it
another long string, substr it and then md5 it
Then i md5 salt1 and 3 and the password with salt 2 and salt4
After this I have to change the password automatically whenever a user changes his email or his id getting changed.
What do you guys think about this?
Nothing.
MD5 is broken and bad.
Using the mailaddress as salt is a good idea. But using md5 is not. Use instead bcrypt, scrypt or pbkdf2.
Don't invent your own ecryption, unless you really know what you are doing, and trust me, you don't
First, let us define a few terms.
Encryption is when you encode a message so that it cannot be read. Encryption involves a plaintext, a cipher and a key. It is like putting a book (the plaintext) in a locked room (cipher), which can only be opened using a known tool (a key). There are many kinds of encryption, but that is a simple description. Encryption is two-way, meaning that you can encode and decode the message.
Cryptographic hash is when you take any kind of data and generate a fixed size value for it (usually called a hash or a digest). Cryptographic hashes are one-way, which means that you cannot reverse the process.
A salt is a unique string, or a collection of bits, similar to a nonce (a unique number that is only used once). Salts are only used to make it infeasible for a cracker to process a list of hashes. They are not supposed to be used as a secret (i.e. like a cryptographic key). The only reason people usually talk about randomness when it comes to salts is because they want to generate a unique salt (if the randomness is not great enough they may get colliding salts, for instance).
Okay, now to how you should hash a password.
A relatively safe way of hashing a password is to simply tack on a unique hash onto a password, and then save the salt with the password:
$pass = 'this is my password';
$salt = uniqid('', true);
$hash = sha1($pass . $salt);
// INSERT INTO users ('hash', 'salt') VALUES ('$hash', '$salt') WHERE ...
That is an okay way of doing it if your website does not retrieve any sensitive data from its users.
If you deal with sensitive data, or if you just want to make sure that you are doing everything you can to keep stuff safe, then there is a PHP function that does the hashing for you. It is called crypt() (read the documentation to learn how it works). Here is an example of how to hash a password using the function:
$pass = 'this is my password';
$salt = 'unique string';
$hash = crypt($password, '$2y$07$'.$salt.'$');
echo $hash;
That will securely hash a password.
The thing to realize is that the crypt() function is much more secure than anything you can come up with (unless you are a specialist in the area).
In newer versions of PHP (5.5.0+) there is a password hashing API that makes it even simpler to hash a password.
There are also various hashing libraries out there. PHPass is a popular one.
It is bad, because it uses MD5.
MD5 is a very fast operation. It can be executed billion of times per second on graphic cards hardware. It is considered bad practice to use it for any password related things.
Use bcrypt. Use a random salt. Use the upcoming PHP API for hashing, verifying and rehashing passwords. This include file implements it for versions starting with PHP 5.3.7: https://github.com/ircmaxell/password_compat
Well, "MD5 is broken and bad" is a little exagerated. Even if it can be brute-forced with a lot of CPU, it is not "broken" and is still a very useful algorithm for a lot of things involving hashing.
So "MD5 should not be used for password encryption" sounds much better to me.
When using PHP, an easy and safe option is to rely on the password_hash() (which natively generates a random salt) and password_verify() functions.
The advantage is that the encryption algorithm will transparently be updated with each new PHP version (at the moment PASSWORD_DEFAULT is set to bcrypt, but should bcrypt be "broken" it can be set to a newer algorithm), which makes any code using those functions quite resilient.
I personally do not recommend involving of the user id and his email into the hashing of his password.
You can deal with the password by:
Dynamic salt per user based on random string generated on user registration
Prepend one part of the salt and append the other around the password
Double md5: md5(md5($password))
Etc.
a simple way would be to generate a random salt for each user and hash your password like this
public function encodePassword( $raw, $salt ) {
return hash('sha256', $salt.$raw);
}
For high security hash, you can check this link which explain how to implement PBKDF2:
http://crackstation.net/hashing-security.htm#phpsourcecode
I'm the developer of a new website built in PHP and I'm wondering what exactly is the best
thing to use for hashing. I've looked at md5 and sha1 but is there anything more secure.
I'm sorry if this is a nooby question but I'm new to PHP Security and I'm trying to make my
site as secure as possible. Also what is a salt?
Thanks,
Waseem
First off md5 and sha1 have been proven to be vunrable to collision attacks and can be rainbow
tabled easily (When they see if you hash is the same in their database of common passwords).
There are currently two things that are secure enough for passwords, that you can use.
The first being sha512. sha512 is a sub-version of SHA2. SHA2 has not yet been proven to be
vunrable to collision attacks and sha512 will generate a 512 bit hash. Here is an example of
how to use sha512:
<?php
hash('sha512',$password);
The other option is called bcrypt. bcrypt is famous for its secure hashes. Its
probably the most secure one out there and most customizable one too.
Before you want to start using bcrypt you need to check if your sever has it enabled, Enter
this code:
<?php
if (defined("CRYPT_BLOWFISH") && CRYPT_BLOWFISH) {
echo "CRYPT_BLOWFISH is enabled!";
}else {
echo "CRYPT_BLOWFISH is not available";
}
If it returns that it is enabled then the next step is easy, All you need to do to bcrypt a
password is (Note for more customizability you need to see this How do you use bcrypt for hashing passwords in PHP?):
crypt($password, $salt);
Now to answer your second question. A salt is usally a random string that you add at the end of
all you passwords when you hash them. Using a salt means if some one gets your database
they can not check the hashes for common passwords. Checking the database is called using a rainbow table. You should always use a salt when hashing!!
Here are my proofs for the SHA1 and MD5 collision attack vulnerabilities:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/10/when_will_we_se.html, http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/413.pdf, http://people.csail.mit.edu/yiqun/SHA1AttackProceedingVersion.pdf, http://conf.isi.qut.edu.au/auscert/proceedings/2006/gauravaram06collision.pdf and Understanding sha-1 collision weakness
The whole purpose of the salt is to slow down an attacker from comparing a list of pre-generated hashes against the target hash.
Instead of needing to pre-compute one "hashed" value for each plaintext password, an attacker needs to precompute 16384 "hashed" values for each plaintext password (2^7 * 2^7).
That kinda pales today but was pretty big when the crypt function was first developed - the computational power to pre-compute that many passwords times the number of plaintext password you suspect (dictionary) was pretty high.
Not so much today which is why we have things like shadow passwords, other core password functions besides crypt and every sysad wanting you to pick a password that would not show up in a dictionary.
If the hashes you want to generate are for passwords this is a well accepted method of implementing it.
http://www.openwall.com/phpass/
If you're planning to do this for passwords, then do not use MD5 or SHA1. They are known to be weak and insecure, even with salt.
If you're using them for other purposes (eg providing a hash of a file to confirm its authenticity, or a random hash database column to provide a pseudo-random sort order) then they are fine (up to a point), but not for passwords or anything else that you would consider needing to be kept secure.
The current best-practice algorithm for password hasing is BCrypt, with suitable salting.
And the best way to implement BCrypt password hashing in PHP is to use PHP's new password API. This API will be featured as a set of built-in functions in the next version of PHP, v5.5, due for release in the next few months. The good news is that they have also released a backward-compatibility version for users of current versions of PHP (5.3 and 5.4), so even though PHP 5.5 isn't released yet, you can start using the new API immediately.
You can download the compatibility library from here: https://github.com/ircmaxell/password_compat
Also: You asked what "salt" is. Since I've mentioned it a couple of times in this answer, I should address that part of the question too.
Salt is basically an additional string added to the password when hashing it, in order to make it harder to crack.
For example, an attacker may know in advance what the hashed value is for a given password string, or even a whole lot of given password strings. If he can get hold of your hashed data and you haven't used a salt, then he can just compare your hashes against his list of known passwords, and if any of your users are using an easy to guess password, they'll be cracked in seconds, regardless of what hashing method was used.
However, if you've added a secret extra string to the password when you hash it, then the hashed value won't match the standard hash for the original password, thus making it harder for the attacker to find the value.
The good news is that if you're using the API I mentioned above, then you don't need to worry too much about the details of this, as the API handles the salting for you.
Hope that helps.
I was reading this tutorial for a simple PHP login system.
In the end it recommends that you should encrypt your password using md5().
Though I know this is a beginners' tutorial, and you shouldn't put bank statements behind this login system, this got me thinking about encryption.
So I went ahead and went to (one of the most useful questions this site has for newbies): What should a developer know before building a public web site?
There it says (under security) you should:
Encrypt Hash and salt passwords rather
than storing them plain-text.
It doesn't say much more about it, no references.
So I went ahead and tried it myself:
$pass = "Trufa";
$enc = md5($pass);
echo $enc; #will echo 06cb51ce0a9893ec1d2dce07ba5ba710
And this is what got me thinking, that although I know md5() might not the strongest way to encrypt, anything that always produces the same result can be reverse engineered.
So what is the sense of encrypting something with md5() or any other method?
If a hacker gets to a password encrypted with md5(), he would just use this page!.
So now the actual questions:
How does password encryption work?
I know I have not discovered a huge web vulnerability here! :) I just want to understand the logic behind password encryption.
I'm sure I'm understanding something wrong, and would appreciate if you could help me set my though and other's (I hope) straight.
How would you have to apply password encryption so that it is actually useful?
What about this idea?
As I said, I may/am getting the whole idea wrong, but, would this method add any security in security to a real environment?
$reenc = array(
"h38an",
"n28nu",
"fw08d"
);
$pass = "Trufa";
$enc = chunk_split(md5($pass),5,$reenc[mt_rand(0,count($reenc)-1)]);
echo $enc;
As you see, I randomly added arbitrary strings ($reenc = array()) to my md5() password "making it unique". This of course is just a silly example.
I may be wrong but unless you "seed the encryption yourself" it will always be easily reversible.
The above would be my idea of "password protecting" and encrypted password, If a hacker gets to it he wont be able to decrypt it unless he gets access to the raw .php
I know this might not even make sense, but I can't figure out why this is a bad idea!
I hope I've made myself clear enough, but this is a very long question so, please ask for any clarification needed!
Thanks in advance!!
You should have an encryption like md5 or sha512. You should also have two different salts, a static salt (written by you) and then also a unique salt for that specific password.
Some sample code (e.g. registration.php):
$unique_salt = hash('md5', microtime());
$password = hash('md5', $_POST['password'].'raNdoMStAticSaltHere'.$unique_salt);
Now you have a static salt, which is valid for all your passwords, that is stored in the .php file. Then, at registration execution, you generate a unique hash for that specific password.
This all ends up with: two passwords that are spelled exactly the same, will have two different hashes. The unique hash is stored in the database along with the current id. If someone grab the database, they will have every single unique salt for every specific password. But what they don't have is your static salt, which make things a lot harder for every "hacker" out there.
This is how you check the validity of your password on login.php for example:
$user = //random username;
$querysalt = mysql_query("SELECT salt FROM password WHERE username='$user'");
while($salt = mysql_fetch_array($querysalt)) {
$password = hash('md5',
$_POST['userpassword'].'raNdoMStAticSaltHere'.$salt[salt]);
}
This is what I've used in the past. It's very powerful and secure. Myself prefer the sha512 encryption. It's actually just to put that inside the hash function instead of md5 in my example.
If you wanna be even more secure, you can store the unique salt in a completely different database.
Firstly, "hashing" (using a cryptographic one way function) is not "encrypting". In encryption, you can reverse the process (decryption). In hashing, there is (theoretically) no feasible way of reversing the process.
A hash is some function f such that v cannot be determined from f(v) easily.
The point of using hashing for authentication is that you (or someone seeing the hash value) do not have any feasible way (again, theoretically) of knowing the password. However, you can still verify that the user knows his password. (Basically, the user proves that he knows v such that f(v) is the stored hash).
The weakness of simply hashing (aside from weak hash functions) is that people can compile tables of passwords and their corresponding hash and use them to (effectively) get the inverse of the hash function. Salting prevents this because then a part of the input value to the hash is controlled and so tables have to be compiled for that particular salt.
So practically, you store a salt and a hash value, and authenticate by hashing a combination of the salt and the password and comparing that with your hash value.
MD5 is a one way hashing function which will guard your original password more or less safely.
So, let's say your password is "Trufa", and its hashed version is 06cb51ce0a9893ec1d2dce07ba5ba710.
For example, when you sign in to a new webpage, they ask you for your username and password. When you write "Trufa" as your password, the value 06cb51ce0a9893ec1d2dce07ba5ba710 is stored in the database because it is hashed.
The next time you log in, and you write "Trufa", the hashed value will be compared to the one in the database. If they are the same, you are authenticated! Providing you entered the right username, of course.
If your password wasn't stored in its hashed form in database, some malicious person might run a query somehow on that database and see all real passwords. And that would be compromising.
Also, since MD5 is a 128 bit cryptographic function, there are 2^128-1 = 340282366920938463463374607431768211455 possible combinations.
Since there are more possible strings than this, it is possible that 2 strings will generate the same hash value. This is called a collision. And it makes sure that a hashed password cannot be uniquely reverse engineered.
The only vulnerability with salting is that you need to know what the salt is in order to reconstruct the hash for testing the password. This is gotten around by storing the entry in the authdb in the form <algorithm>$<salt>$<hash>. This way the authdb entry can be used by any code that has access to it.
You're missing the important step - the salt. This is a unique (per user, ideally) bit of extra data that you add to the password before hashing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28cryptography%29
Your idea (salting) is well known and is actually well-implemented in the PHP language. If you use the crypt() function it allows you to specify a string to hash, a method to encrypt (in some cases), and a salt. For example,
$x = crypt('insecure_password', $salt);
Returns a hashed and salted password ready for storage. Passwords get cracked the same way that we check if they're right: we check the hash of what the user inputs against the hash of their password in the database. If they match, they're authenticated (AFAIK this is the most common way to do this, if not the only). Insecure passwords (like password) that use dictionary words can be cracked by comparing their hash to hashes of common passwords. Secure passwords cannot be cracked this way, but can still be cracked. Adding a salt to the password makes it much more difficult to crack: since the hacker most likely doesn't know what the salt is, his dictionary attack won't work.
For a decent hash the attacker won't be reversing the hash, they'll be using a rainbow table, which is essentially a brute-force method made useful if everyone uses the same hash function.
The idea of a rainbow table is that since hashing is fast I can hash every possible value you could use as a password, store the result, and have a map of which hash connects to which password. If everyone just takes their passwords and hashes them with MD5 then my hash table is good for any set of password hashes I can get my hands on!
This is where salting comes in. If I take the password the user enters and add some data which is different for every user, then that list of pre-determined hashes is useless since the hash is of both the password and some random data. The data for the salt could be stored right beside the password and even if I get both it doesn't help me get the password back since I still have to essentially brute force the hash separately for every single user - I can't form a single rainbow table to attack all the hashes at once.
Of course, ideally an attacker won't get the list of hashed passwords in the first place, but some employees will have access so it's not possible to secure the password database entirely.
In addition to providing salt (or seed), the md5 is a complex hashing algorithm which uses mathematical rules to produce a result that is specifically not reversable because of the mathematical changes and dataloss in throughput.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_hash_function
md5 (or better put: hash algorithms in general) are used to safely store passwords in database. The most important thing to know about hashes is: Hashes are not encryptions per se. (they are one-way-encryptions at most). If you encrypt something, you can get the data back with the key you used. A hash generates a fixed-length value from an arbitrary input (like a string), which can be used to see if the same input was used.
Hashes are used to store sensitive, repeatly entered data in a storage device. Doing this, nobody can recreate the original input from the hash data, but you can hash an incoming password and compare it to the value in the database, and see if both are the same, if so, the password was correct.
You already pointed out, that there possibilites to break the algorithm, either by using a database of value/hash pairs or producing collisions (different values resulting in the hash value). You can obscure this a bit by using a salt, thus modifying the algorithm. But if the salt is known, it can be used to break the algorithm again.
I like this question. But I think you've really answered yourself.
The site you referenced uses dictionary lookups of known, unsalted, md5's - it doesn't "crack" anything.
Your example is almost good, except your application needs to be able to regenerate the md5 using the same salt every time.
Your example appears to use one of the random salts, which will fail 2 of 3 times if you try to compare a users password hash to something input.
People will tell you to also use SHA1 or SHA256 to be have a 'stronger' hash - but people will also argue that they're all 'broken.'
That documentation is misleading -- it teaches a "vulnerable" concept and presents it as somehow being "secure" because it (the saved password) looks like gibberish. Just internet junk that won't die. The following link should clear things up (you have already found a good bit of it though, it seems. Good work.)
Enough With The Rainbow Tables: What You Need To Know About Secure Password Schemes talks about MD5 (and why it should not be used) along with salt (e.g. how to thwart rainbow attacks) as well as provides useful insights (such as "Use someone else’s password system. Don’t build your own"). It is a fairly good overview.
This is my question about the aspects of md5 collision, slightly related to your question:
Is there any difference between md5 and sha1 in this situation?
The important part is in the first 3 rows, that is: you must put your salt before the password, if you want to achieve stronger protection, not after.
To simply answer the title of your question, md5's only real use nowadays is for hashing large strings (such as files) to produce checksums. These are typically used to see if both strings are identical (in terms of files, checksums are frequently used for security purposes to ensure a file being distributed hasn't been tampered with, for example).
To address each of your inline questions:
How does password encryption work?
How would you have to apply password encryption so that it is actually useful?
Secure password hashing works by taking the password in plain text form, and then applying a costly hashing function to it, salted with a cryptographically secure random salt to it. See the Secure hash and salt for PHP passwords question for more detail on this.
What about this idea?
Password hashing does not need to be complicated like that, and nor should it be. Avoid thinking up your own algorithms and stick with the tried and tested hashing algorithms already out there. As the question linked above mentions, md5() for password hashing has been obsolete for many years now, and so it should be avoided.
Your method of generating a "random" salt from an array of three different salts is not the randomness you're looking for. You need unique randomness that is suitable for cryptographically secure (i.e. using a cryptically secure pseudo-random number generator (CSPRNG)). If you're using PHP 7 and above, then the random_bytes function can be used to generate a cryptographically secure salt (for PHP 5 users, the random_compat library can be used).